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| Agree about Dunning.
I've said the jury's still out on him. He deserves credit for some of the changes he's brought in as we were completely rotten last year. He's coached us to some great victories this year, which he deserves credit for. The Fev defeat I thought we were turning a corner in our consistency. As even though we lost, we played well over a number of weeks.
But these type of performances where the games over by HT are becoming too common. Especially against our rivals. Just not acceptable. I thought Fax would win yesterday, they're a decent team, at home and would have been hurting from us beating them two weeks ago. But a game of that magnitude, where i thought the winner would go on to lift the trophy, for it to be over by HT is in excusable.
Our next 4 of our next 5 games are against teams towards the bottom of the table, plus Keighley. So if we win all 5 things may look a little better at the half way point of the season. But do I trust Dunning to get us all 5 victories? More likely we'll beat Barrow, Swinton get a good win against Keighley and then lose to London at home.
Not good enough.
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| As a neutral i thought Bradford were pretty poor.
I keep upto date with what's going on through the internet, league Express etc.
Firstly i thought the BBC coverage was amateur at best. I'm sure a fan could have done as well with a mobile phone.
2 options close up at the play the ball and then zoom out as far as possible so you can't even see who has the ball.
This was a game of how loan players disrupt teams. You have a spine of players who are pretty much in the team week in week out and then players who come in for the odd game then go back to there club and then expect a player to come in and play out of his skin only to be told he's not playing the week after.
From what i can see you have ascholarship, reserves etc. Surly reserves are where your players come from or is that too old fashioned these days.
Leigh and Keighley showed how it was done last season. Put the money in and keep putting money in so you get where you want to be.
I know all teams don't have bottomless pockets but I would rather watch my team lose with local lads that have come through the system than a make shift team turning out week after week.
Img will ruin the game. Americans don't understand rugby league end of.
Our country has it's own identity on promotion and relegation and that's the way it should stay.
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| Quote Mr Hicks="Mr Hicks"As a neutral i thought Bradford were pretty poor.
I keep upto date with what's going on through the internet, league Express etc.
Firstly i thought the BBC coverage was amateur at best. I'm sure a fan could have done as well with a mobile phone.
2 options close up at the play the ball and then zoom out as far as possible so you can't even see who has the ball.
This was a game of how loan players disrupt teams. You have a spine of players who are pretty much in the team week in week out and then players who come in for the odd game then go back to there club and then expect a player to come in and play out of his skin only to be told he's not playing the week after.
From what i can see you have ascholarship, reserves etc. Surly reserves are where your players come from or is that too old fashioned these days.
Leigh and Keighley showed how it was done last season. Put the money in and keep putting money in so you get where you want to be.
I know all teams don't have bottomless pockets but I would rather watch my team lose with local lads that have come through the system than a make shift team turning out week after week.
Img will ruin the game. Americans don't understand rugby league end of.
Our country has it's own identity on promotion and relegation and that's the way it should stay.'"
Spot on!
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| All banter and joking aside, well most of it, these last two games have really highlighted in a nutshell the disgrace that is dual reg. Shame on those who use it and who allow it to be used. I include Fax in that as well obviously.
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| Bradford in meltdown turning comments off on Facebook and Twitter. Wouldn’t surprise me if dunning is gone .
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| Quote Listenup94="Listenup94"Bradford in meltdown turning comments off on Facebook and Twitter. Wouldn’t surprise me if dunning is gone .'"
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| I pretty much expected this result. When the pressure is on, and the game is being televised you can guarantee the Bulls will thoroughly bottle it and play like a load of blokes who just met 10 minutes beforehand in a pub.
Just awful.
This coach is way out of his depth. Being a nice bloke and having a copy of the 'Steve NcNamara big book of excuses' isn't enough. And he was the best option. Wow.
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| Quote Bully_Boxer="Bully_Boxer"It's puzzling how we can put in a quality spirited performance two weeks earlier and then come up with that effort and the Batley result. I know a few empty heads will point to Leeds dual reg, but in reality that is a couple of players in a 17 man squad who don't account for such a huge swing in performance.
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Im not trying to rub it in when I say this but I really didn't think much of Bradford when we played a couple of weeks back, I'm not saying they are bad, I just thought they were pretty average but we were really, really bad and still ended up in with a shout at the end of the game. I still think that when we get ideal conditions pretty much like last night there is still a bit of a gulf between the two teams and there isn't many Bradford players that I would take at Fax.
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| Quote Mr Hicks="Mr Hicks"
From what I can see, you have a scholarship, reserves etc. Surly reserves are where your players come from, or is that too old-fashioned these days?
Leigh and Keighley showed how it was done last season. '"
I fully agree with the thrust of your post, but I have to pick you up on this bit.
Leigh has been loaning players left right and centre for years, and doesn't have an Academy (because they aren't allowed one, but still). In fact, they've had loan players THIS season in SL - Joe Shorrocks, who is now in the Wigan first team, was on loan at Leigh earlier in the season.
Most clubs utilise the loan system at one time or another - including Halifax and York, whose fans were bagging the Bulls for it.
That said, I think we are leaning FAR too much on loans and DR this season.
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| Quote Highlander="Highlander"Losing Holmes early will impact some of the attacking structure I suppose, but why no desire in defence? We were as poor yesterday as Fax were 2 weeks ago. It improved slightly in the 2nd half but the damage was done.'"
As above, I don't think you were anywhere near as bad as we were two weeks ago and if you had completed at less than 30% in either half last week like we did then the score would have been a lot worse. It does show though when we can be that bad and still end up in the game near the end but Bradford play pretty bad and we blow them off the park.
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| The Bulls need to move on from Dunning now, if we're to rescue the season. This squad is badly underperforming and if he's as vanilla and cliched in the dressing room as he is in his interviews, the lack of motivation seems pretty obvious. If we're serious about going up this is the season to do it, before the IMG franchise model kicks in and the door is closed for a very, very long time.
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| Quote Greg Florimos Boots="Greg Florimos Boots"Im not trying to rub it in when I say this but I really didn't think much of Bradford when we played a couple of weeks back, I'm not saying they are bad, I just thought they were pretty average but we were really, really bad and still ended up in with a shout at the end of the game. I still think that when we get ideal conditions pretty much like last night there is still a bit of a gulf between the two teams and there isn't many Bradford players that I would take at Fax.'"
Probably fair, the scoreline definitely flattered Halifax two weeks ago. Bradford kept Halifax in with a shout because of inability to stick to a game plan and grind a game out. Widnes walloped Halifax not so long since, but they have been pretty average and inconsistent as well - I guess it is an issue at Championship level.
I’m not sure I agree about a ‘gulf’ in quality we are 9 games in on equal points and 1-1 in games against and you’re signing journeyman like Dan Fleming, so you’ve definitely got a few players I wouldn’t take either!!
I do think this squad is underperforming though and could be a lot better side with a higher calibre coach.
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| Quote NorthlandBull="NorthlandBull"Clutching at straws maybe but I thought our youngsters Jowitt and Myers were amongst our best players. They made mistakes but at least they kept trying and showed desire, unlike several others.'" from a fax fan i thought both those lads had a good go for you and should get more of a run in your team going forward.
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| There is massive underinvestment to the extent that I don't think we can afford to pay Dunning off (if that is the answer). We are now just a mediocre team in a run down town.
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| Quote rugbyreddog="rugbyreddog"There is massive underinvestment to the extent that I don't think we can afford to pay Dunning off (if that is the answer). We are now just a mediocre team in a run down town.'"
We've been this for the last 5 years plus!
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| Quote rugbyreddog="rugbyreddog"There is massive underinvestment to the extent that I don't think we can afford to pay Dunning off (if that is the answer). We are now just a mediocre team in a run down town.'"
Surely we can stretch to a packet of crisps and a sausage roll? His contract can’t be worth much.
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| Quote rugbyreddog="rugbyreddog"There is massive underinvestment to the extent that I don't think we can afford to pay Dunning off (if that is the answer). We are now just a mediocre team in a run down town.'"
That is a massive understatement...
Bradford a run down town! It makes Mixenden look like London!
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| Awful game. I expected a Halifax win but so disappointing we roll over and don’t put up a fight until the second half. We do seem to struggle on game plans.
The inconsistency is baffling. I can understand losing to a better team on the day, but to beat some of the teams we have this year to then put in performances like yesterday, Keighley away and York away makes no sense.
Not just Halifax alone but you do have to laugh at the same comments every week suggesting when X wins its because Y team was bad and not because X team played well… coping mechanisms on show maybe. Crazy to think that just maybe Bradford and Halifax are not far apart in class and both up and down in performances.
Anyway 1-1 and another good mix and atmosphere. Entering an interesting set of fixtures before we meet again at Odsal mid June. Anyones guess what both teams will look like by then.
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| Our glorious leader was, apparently, telling everyone who'd listen we were too light in the forwards for the game and the club expected to lose. Sounds like we went in as a club with that mindset.
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| Quote Bulls4="Bulls4"Not just Halifax alone but you do have to laugh at the same comments every week suggesting when X wins its because Y team was bad and not because X team played well… coping mechanisms on show maybe. Crazy to think that just maybe Bradford and Halifax are not far apart in class and both up and down in performances. '"
Aye. I think there is a gulf in application and attitude between us and Fax, not in talent. They don't want to be grubbing around in the meh category with us, but I'm afraid they probably are.
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| I quite like the yin and Yang of the gledhill dunning interviews one trying excitedly to convince Bradford fans they’ve multiple super league players on the horizon and are more or less superleague ready and dunning who’s voice could send someone high on amphetimines and coffee to sleep .
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| Mick's reluctance to ask awkward questions because he works for the club doesn't help us get to the nitty gritty does it? I remember back in the day when the T&A reporter (I'm remembering Brian Smith) would have no qualms about calling out players and coaches if needed. It was part of the deal and the club accepted it. Are people too precious nowadays?
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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"Mick's reluctance to ask awkward questions because he works for the club doesn't help us get to the nitty gritty does it? I remember back in the day when the T&A reporter (I'm remembering Brian Smith) would have no qualms about calling out players and coaches if needed. It was part of the deal and the club accepted it. Are people too precious nowadays?'"
To be fair to Mick, he does ask better questions than the T&A. Mick wasn't doing the interviews on saturday. Even just a simple "this is the third time the games been over by HT, is that a worry"
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| The whole RL media in this country is such a small church clubs can dictate to them and if they don't toe the club line they get frozen out.
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| Quote Scarey71="Scarey71"Our glorious leader was, apparently, telling everyone who'd listen we were too light in the forwards for the game and the club expected to lose. Sounds like we went in as a club with that mindset.'"
Where’s this come from?
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