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I'm definately not Stuart Duffy. Any person who has been an integral part of the Bulls management through the past years of diabolical standards and waste should move out on principle and not be a part of any new management at Tong or wherever we play.
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| Quote ArastuJah="ArastuJah"I'm definately not Stuart Duffy. Any person who has been an integral part of the Bulls management through the past years of diabolical standards and waste should move out on principle and not be a part of any new management at Tong or wherever we play.'"
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This thread is great. When do we get the bottle that says "Drink me" and the cake that says "Eat me"?
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I have to say, I have heard some bulls hit stories in my time and listened to lying conniving fools. It was my job to listen them for nigh on 30 years. EVERY time I read the Nestegg bulls hit, I just laugh to myself and think 'why would anyone believe this fantasist?'. Amazingly it seems some have and some do believe it.
Whoever writes this rubbish is not articulate, is not intelligent legally, financially or otherwise and is definitely not someone with inside knowledge. Whoever it is, is just a bulls hitting fantasist. Please stop listening to whoever it is and ignore his/her rubbish.
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| Quote ArastuJah="ArastuJah"I'm new here as an account holder but have been reading for a good while.'" Ok but I'm not sure many will believe you
Quote ArastuJahThe same person attended a local amatuer rugby club on the morning of the NRL Grand Final and was pretending to be involved with Sport England as an investigator of some description and making some noises about Odsal and Nigel Wood and sport england investigation that isn't actually taking place. That person has no involvement at all with Sport England.
I'm sure none of this will come as a surprise to most readers here but thought I would make the point clearly'"
Nearly everything you mention on this post is available within this thread. For someone attacking Nestegg, you are showing a lot of the same characteristics. Queue response by Nestegg attacking ArastuJah and agreeing with me (but I won't see it as I've blocked Eggface) |
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| Quote ex Bull Dog="ex Bull Dog"Ok but I'm not sure many will believe you
Nearly everything you mention on this post is available within this thread. For someone attacking Nestegg, you are showing a lot of the same characteristics. Queue response by Nestegg attacking ArastuJah and agreeing with me (but I won't see it as I've blocked Eggface)'"
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Unfortunately some people are gullible, there was a case around 10 years ago on an aviation forum (Prune.org) where a chap had multiple posts describing how he was starting an airline with L1011 aircraft (I think it was going to be called Lion Air ? ) his posts were very technical and knowledgeable, in the end he had fully staffed his "airline" with qualified pilots,cabin crew and ground staff from the forum !! It was only after some promises started to unravel that he was found to be a Walter Mitty (much like Nestegg) who eventually had multiple legal actions taken out against him by people who had been conned into employment contracts, he was tried in court and completed a jail sentence.
So many "sensible" people were fooled by his posts, it really does sound familiar.
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Which scallywag wrote this. Tell teacher.
Q: Hello to the new consortium
Many thanks for giving Bulls fans a vehicle to speak directly to the board. My points below are not meant to be aired in public, but I would appreciate you digesting these thoughts from a loyal follower of the club.
Having been a season ticket holder on and off since 2002, I have spent both plenty of cash and time in supporting the club throughout the highs and the (too many) lows. I am still a season ticket holder, as I will probably be into the coming season. However, in common with a good many reasonable, mature, and loyal individuals, I am becoming somewhat unsettled by the muddied waters which now surround both the ownership and the future fortunes of the Bulls.
I am a member of RLFANS.COM, which as its name suggests, is populated by RL loving individuals - some sane and sensible, some slightly off the wall, and some downright ignorant and abusive. There are also a fair sprinkling of trolls who, unfortunately, have become synonymous with such forums. However, on the whole, the level of debate on the Bulls section tends to be relatively normal, with many views being discussed on many topics.
During the past month or so, following a similar timeline to your takeover of the club, an individual who supposedly speaks on behalf of a somewhat shady group, has been posting a large amount of both statements and questions which point towards distrust of your intentions.
This is clearly de-stabilizing many supporters who read these forum posts. I am a prime example of this, as I am seriously considering whether to renew my season ticket, given that the problems of the club may not be done and dusted.
The individual posts under a certain username and has posed many serious questions, and made strong allegations of potential mismanagement of the club. I am aware that questions are also being raised by various strands of both the media and the clubs themselves, and no doubt they are likely to be asking similar questions to the poster.
In light of these challenges, and to give some confidence to the long suffering supporters, would it not be time now to take a view of the issues being raised, and either completely refute all the nonsense or readily accept that some of the elements have some semblence of fact.
I believe that we all want to see the Bulls continue into the future, and that a successful club is important to the RL as a whole. I also believe that a total regime of honesty, openness, and sincerity is the only method of taking the remaining supporters with you into the new season and beyond.
Thank you for taking the time to read these few lines. I wish you and your fellow shareholders success in your endeavors to stabilise and grow the Bulls brand.
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A: We are aware of some of the posts. Unfortunately we can't actually stop people insinuating, hinting, alleging or generally trying to de-stabilise the confidence. It is a simply truth that we can't prove a negative, nor can one disprove someone’s prejudice or conspiracy theory, we have no sensible course of action to anyone who says “we hear you but we don’t believe”.
It is not our job to pass comment about past management. We haven’t the time really. We will work tirelessly trying to recover the position of the club and will expend all our energy looking forward.
Some of the so-called journalists who are most critical and lack most objectivity haven’t even contacted the club, let alone asked for interviews with the key stakeholders. Some critics haven’t been to game in years. Some don’t even support the club and seem to enjoy causing aggravation for the club.
We won't give in or give up. We will work with all those who want to work positively with us. The others can please themselves.
Many thanks
The Bulls
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Which scallywag wrote this. Tell teacher.
Q: Hello to the new consortium
Many thanks for giving Bulls fans a vehicle to speak directly to the board. My points below are not meant to be aired in public, but I would appreciate you digesting these thoughts from a loyal follower of the club.
Having been a season ticket holder on and off since 2002, I have spent both plenty of cash and time in supporting the club throughout the highs and the (too many) lows. I am still a season ticket holder, as I will probably be into the coming season. However, in common with a good many reasonable, mature, and loyal individuals, I am becoming somewhat unsettled by the muddied waters which now surround both the ownership and the future fortunes of the Bulls.
I am a member of RLFANS.COM, which as its name suggests, is populated by RL loving individuals - some sane and sensible, some slightly off the wall, and some downright ignorant and abusive. There are also a fair sprinkling of trolls who, unfortunately, have become synonymous with such forums. However, on the whole, the level of debate on the Bulls section tends to be relatively normal, with many views being discussed on many topics.
During the past month or so, following a similar timeline to your takeover of the club, an individual who supposedly speaks on behalf of a somewhat shady group, has been posting a large amount of both statements and questions which point towards distrust of your intentions.
This is clearly de-stabilizing many supporters who read these forum posts. I am a prime example of this, as I am seriously considering whether to renew my season ticket, given that the problems of the club may not be done and dusted.
The individual posts under a certain username and has posed many serious questions, and made strong allegations of potential mismanagement of the club. I am aware that questions are also being raised by various strands of both the media and the clubs themselves, and no doubt they are likely to be asking similar questions to the poster.
In light of these challenges, and to give some confidence to the long suffering supporters, would it not be time now to take a view of the issues being raised, and either completely refute all the nonsense or readily accept that some of the elements have some semblence of fact.
I believe that we all want to see the Bulls continue into the future, and that a successful club is important to the RL as a whole. I also believe that a total regime of honesty, openness, and sincerity is the only method of taking the remaining supporters with you into the new season and beyond.
Thank you for taking the time to read these few lines. I wish you and your fellow shareholders success in your endeavors to stabilise and grow the Bulls brand.
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A: We are aware of some of the posts. Unfortunately we can't actually stop people insinuating, hinting, alleging or generally trying to de-stabilise the confidence. It is a simply truth that we can't prove a negative, nor can one disprove someone’s prejudice or conspiracy theory, we have no sensible course of action to anyone who says “we hear you but we don’t believe”.
It is not our job to pass comment about past management. We haven’t the time really. We will work tirelessly trying to recover the position of the club and will expend all our energy looking forward.
Some of the so-called journalists who are most critical and lack most objectivity haven’t even contacted the club, let alone asked for interviews with the key stakeholders. Some critics haven’t been to game in years. Some don’t even support the club and seem to enjoy causing aggravation for the club.
We won't give in or give up. We will work with all those who want to work positively with us. The others can please themselves.
Many thanks
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Fair play for them carrying on this Q&A. Interesting we've budgeted for 1000 ST and we've sold 731. I'm pretty confident we'll get through the 1000 barrier but it shows how much damage has been done to the supporter base.
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Quote Pumpetypump="Pumpetypump"Which scallywag wrote this. Tell teacher.
Q: Hello to the new consortium
Many thanks for giving Bulls fans a vehicle to speak directly to the board. My points below are not meant to be aired in public, but I would appreciate you digesting these thoughts from a loyal follower of the club.
Having been a season ticket holder on and off since 2002, I have spent both plenty of cash and time in supporting the club throughout the highs and the (too many) lows. I am still a season ticket holder, as I will probably be into the coming season. However, in common with a good many reasonable, mature, and loyal individuals, I am becoming somewhat unsettled by the muddied waters which now surround both the ownership and the future fortunes of the Bulls.
I am a member of RLFANS.COM, which as its name suggests, is populated by RL loving individuals - some sane and sensible, some slightly off the wall, and some downright ignorant and abusive. There are also a fair sprinkling of trolls who, unfortunately, have become synonymous with such forums. However, on the whole, the level of debate on the Bulls section tends to be relatively normal, with many views being discussed on many topics.
During the past month or so, following a similar timeline to your takeover of the club, an individual who supposedly speaks on behalf of a somewhat shady group, has been posting a large amount of both statements and questions which point towards distrust of your intentions.
This is clearly de-stabilizing many supporters who read these forum posts. I am a prime example of this, as I am seriously considering whether to renew my season ticket, given that the problems of the club may not be done and dusted.
The individual posts under a certain username and has posed many serious questions, and made strong allegations of potential mismanagement of the club. I am aware that questions are also being raised by various strands of both the media and the clubs themselves, and no doubt they are likely to be asking similar questions to the poster.
In light of these challenges, and to give some confidence to the long suffering supporters, would it not be time now to take a view of the issues being raised, and either completely refute all the nonsense or readily accept that some of the elements have some semblence of fact.
I believe that we all want to see the Bulls continue into the future, and that a successful club is important to the RL as a whole. I also believe that a total regime of honesty, openness, and sincerity is the only method of taking the remaining supporters with you into the new season and beyond.
Thank you for taking the time to read these few lines. I wish you and your fellow shareholders success in your endeavors to stabilise and grow the Bulls brand.
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A: We are aware of some of the posts. Unfortunately we can't actually stop people insinuating, hinting, alleging or generally trying to de-stabilise the confidence. It is a simply truth that we can't prove a negative, nor can one disprove someone’s prejudice or conspiracy theory, we have no sensible course of action to anyone who says “we hear you but we don’t believe”.
It is not our job to pass comment about past management. We haven’t the time really. We will work tirelessly trying to recover the position of the club and will expend all our energy looking forward.
Some of the so-called journalists who are most critical and lack most objectivity haven’t even contacted the club, let alone asked for interviews with the key stakeholders. Some critics haven’t been to game in years. Some don’t even support the club and seem to enjoy causing aggravation for the club.
We won't give in or give up. We will work with all those who want to work positively with us. The others can please themselves.
Many thanks
The Bulls
www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/article/ ... s-answered'"
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Q: Hello to the new consortium
Many thanks for giving Bulls fans a vehicle to speak directly to the board. My points below are not meant to be aired in public, but I would appreciate you digesting these thoughts from a loyal follower of the club.
Having been a season ticket holder on and off since 2002, I have spent both plenty of cash and time in supporting the club throughout the highs and the (too many) lows. I am still a season ticket holder, as I will probably be into the coming season. However, in common with a good many reasonable, mature, and loyal individuals, I am becoming somewhat unsettled by the muddied waters which now surround both the ownership and the future fortunes of the Bulls.
I am a member of RLFANS.COM, which as its name suggests, is populated by RL loving individuals - some sane and sensible, some slightly off the wall, and some downright ignorant and abusive. There are also a fair sprinkling of trolls who, unfortunately, have become synonymous with such forums. However, on the whole, the level of debate on the Bulls section tends to be relatively normal, with many views being discussed on many topics.
During the past month or so, following a similar timeline to your takeover of the club, an individual who supposedly speaks on behalf of a somewhat shady group, has been posting a large amount of both statements and questions which point towards distrust of your intentions.
This is clearly de-stabilizing many supporters who read these forum posts. I am a prime example of this, as I am seriously considering whether to renew my season ticket, given that the problems of the club may not be done and dusted.
The individual posts under a certain username and has posed many serious questions, and made strong allegations of potential mismanagement of the club. I am aware that questions are also being raised by various strands of both the media and the clubs themselves, and no doubt they are likely to be asking similar questions to the poster.
In light of these challenges, and to give some confidence to the long suffering supporters, would it not be time now to take a view of the issues being raised, and either completely refute all the nonsense or readily accept that some of the elements have some semblence of fact.
I believe that we all want to see the Bulls continue into the future, and that a successful club is important to the RL as a whole. I also believe that a total regime of honesty, openness, and sincerity is the only method of taking the remaining supporters with you into the new season and beyond.
Thank you for taking the time to read these few lines. I wish you and your fellow shareholders success in your endeavors to stabilise and grow the Bulls brand.
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A: We are aware of some of the posts. Unfortunately we can't actually stop people insinuating, hinting, alleging or generally trying to de-stabilise the confidence. It is a simply truth that we can't prove a negative, nor can one disprove someone’s prejudice or conspiracy theory, we have no sensible course of action to anyone who says “we hear you but we don’t believe”.
It is not our job to pass comment about past management. We haven’t the time really. We will work tirelessly trying to recover the position of the club and will expend all our energy looking forward.
Some of the so-called journalists who are most critical and lack most objectivity haven’t even contacted the club, let alone asked for interviews with the key stakeholders. Some critics haven’t been to game in years. Some don’t even support the club and seem to enjoy causing aggravation for the club.
We won't give in or give up. We will work with all those who want to work positively with us. The others can please themselves.
Many thanks
The Bulls
www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/article/ ... s-answered'"
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I wonder if I'm "sane and sensible" or "off the wall". Actually don't answer that. I'm as cynical as anyone but it's a positive step openly answering the questions and concerns of the supporters. I agree that's a very modest season ticket total to budget for. But I suppose it's better to have an unexpected amount of income coming your way by budgeting low rather than the opposite.
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Budgeting for 1000 STs is at least pragmatic. It's nice to know they don't have delusional expectations of the support for next season.
However, I remember Chalmers taking the pragmatic approach in his communications with fans when he first took over and we all know where that ended up.
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Yep I've spotted a few of the responses to mine too although not some of the questions (I asked if the bright spark who came up with the idea had scored an own goal following the initial negative response).
I also asked them to be public in their support for a full and transparent independent investigation into the past 7yrs since Odsal was sold.
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On a side note, did anyone read Kear's comments in today's T&A. In it he's quoted as saying the fans understand where we are at.
Is he being really serious with that comment as I think he has totally misread the situation. Going by the clubs own ST sales figures we look likely to have lost around 60% of last years members. I think that goes to show that many don't agree as we simply don't know where we are at.
I have to admit I wasnt going to commit to a ST until I started to see this start to unravel (far too murky for my liking) but even I started to sway when the last two new signings were announced.
Right now I don't have a clue whether I will commit or not. I'm more inclined to only go to away games as that way I can still follow the team and get my rugby fix, but at least I know my money isn't going to an ownership group comprising of god knows who!!!
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It would be hard to determine one way or the other as to whether the drop in ST is due to change of ground or owners. Probably a mix of both)
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My question and reply isn't there. Maybe once they had got rid of all the swear words and corrected my appalling grammar they couldn't be bothered anymore.
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I think a certain amount of credit has to be given for the club not massaging the season ticket sales figures.Its only a few weeks ago certain "journalists ""were posting around 1200 had been sold.
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Workington Town holding an event on Friday night.Guest speakers Nigel Wood,Adam Fogerty and Eric Perez.Am I the only one thinking it might be a nice idea to actually hold something like this in West Yorkshire when youve finished rolling around West Cumbria gents..Just a thought.
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| Quote bullinenemyland="bullinenemyland"On a side note, did anyone read Kear's comments in today's T&A. In it he's quoted as saying the fans understand where we are at.
Is he being really serious with that comment as I think he has totally misread the situation. Going by the clubs own ST sales figures we look likely to have lost around 60% of last years members. I think that goes to show that many don't agree as we simply don't know where we are at.
I have to admit I wasnt going to commit to a ST until I started to see this start to unravel (far too murky for my liking) but even I started to sway when the last two new signings were announced.
Right now I don't have a clue whether I will commit or not. I'm more inclined to only go to away games as that way I can still follow the team and get my rugby fix, but at least I know my money isn't going to an ownership group comprising of god knows who!!!'"
With respect I don't get that last sentence about away games.
Ok, don't buy a ST until we know what is going on but to watch the team that Kear builds and only give money to other clubs bank account - not for me.
Why not go to the home games as pay on the gate and if the club lets you down then stop but if they do turn out to be genuine then you have done your bit to help. |
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| Quote bullinenemyland="bullinenemyland"On a side note, did anyone read Kear's comments in today's T&A. In it he's quoted as saying the fans understand where we are at.
Is he being really serious with that comment as I think he has totally misread the situation. Going by the clubs own ST sales figures we look likely to have lost around 60% of last years members. I think that goes to show that many don't agree as we simply don't know where we are at.'"
I'm far from sure it's actually possible to understand [ithe fans'[/i opinions, since it's pretty obvious we're all over the place. We've got the "bulls forever" crowd right through to "A pox on all their houses" - and every shade in between. Maybe we should have a referendum? That should clear the air.. |
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52% will say we should leave Bradford despite it being demonstrably INSANE. #politics.
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Just out of curiosity, because I have not been in a position to commit to a season ticket, how many times in the last few years have season ticket holders not had any games provided? Value for money eg due to overpricing, or poor quality of the team and the rugby is a different issue eg Chalmers first year. Im still not in a position to justify a season ticket, but I am really looking forward to going to far more games this coming season.
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I count 634 seats sold in stand at Dewsbury,incl Premier Club. I have counted at regular intervals (saddo!)and sales have slowed remarkedly in last 2 months. It seems hardly any Terrace tickets sold. Last season around 800 seats sold in main stand at Odsal(count at last home match). All a bit rough and ready but it appears that seats have sold fairly well.
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| Quote tackler thommo="tackler thommo"I count 634 seats sold in stand at Dewsbury,incl Premier Club. I have counted at regular intervals (saddo!)and sales have slowed remarkedly in last 2 months. It seems hardly any Terrace tickets sold. Last season around 800 seats sold in main stand at Odsal(count at last home match). All a bit rough and ready but it appears that seats have sold fairly well.'"
That's despite too much unnecessary negativity on the Forums and the Club itself who must be using the same P R Firm as Prince Andrew!! 
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wasn't me though.
