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As the RFL are seemingly directing this so called buy out, it surely is incumbent on them to keep supporters and fans in the loop.They are showing scant regard for the feelings of those who have committed, in good faith, to buying St's.The rest, like myself, need clarity and regular updates on the progress and viability for our future security. I stubbornly want to believe in the integrity of the powers that be, despite all the doubters, but have to concede that there has to be a cover up going on. If so, this is scandalous and like others I want the perpetrators held to account and the Club somehow compensated fully, for any corrupt actions that may have hindered it's progress. I sincerely hope that those who submitted, what on the face of it, were better offers, are not reluctant to oil the wheels of retribution in the event of RFL culpability. Have to say that seeing JK continuing his pre-season schedule is akin to the band playing as theTitanic sunk. But boy, do I have total admiration for him and the players in his charge, including everyone employed who are not shirking their responsibilities or allegiances. |
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As the RFL are seemingly directing this so called buy out, it surely is incumbent on them to keep supporters and fans in the loop.They are showing scant regard for the feelings of those who have committed, in good faith, to buying St's.The rest, like myself, need clarity and regular updates on the progress and viability for our future security. I stubbornly want to believe in the integrity of the powers that be, despite all the doubters, but have to concede that there has to be a cover up going on. If so, this is scandalous and like others I want the perpetrators held to account and the Club somehow compensated fully, for any corrupt actions that may have hindered it's progress. I sincerely hope that those who submitted, what on the face of it, were better offers, are not reluctant to oil the wheels of retribution in the event of RFL culpability. Have to say that seeing JK continuing his pre-season schedule is akin to the band playing as theTitanic sunk. But boy, do I have total admiration for him and the players in his charge, including everyone employed who are not shirking their responsibilities or allegiances. | |
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| Quote ="thepimp007"Well you obviously didn't research yourself correctly when previously saying
its 12 points unless you pay off all creditors so unless
So now you change your tune to definite 12 points regardless. Seems you didn't do your own research until after commenting'"
You said it was 6 points so I advised it was incorrect.
The rules are its 12 points but less if you pay all creditors back.
With the Bulls they had no choice so Thorne would of taken a 12 point deduction which you said may said not be the case. Read the RFL press release below.
In accordance with the RFL’s press release, it is currently the RFL’s intention that the new Company will be placed in the Championship in 2017 with a 12-point deduction and with the same central distributions as the 12th placed Club (i.e. £150k). | | | |
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Quote ="bulls2487"If the contract was offered by Chalmers/Mcfarlane etc maybe the contract offered was more the club can now afford? You can't really blame the new owners for withdrawing an offer when its all about cutting costs after another overspend. Or would we rather see them stretch the budget again?'"
Trust me, this player was one of the lowest paid players in the team so I cannot see how the club cannot afford it, especially given they have publicly stated their playing budget will be still significantly higher than most Championship sides.
The main issue is that players have committed to a deal, been strung along by the club for months and then hung out to dry. The player I know has been lucky to find a deal that will work for him in the short term but that sends out a really bad message to other players thinking about joining the club.
Agents are already taking their players out in vast numbers (the postman doesn't seem to deliver to the Dewsbury postcode  icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" /> ) and others will certainly think twice when they have a number of offers on the table.
I totally get us cutting cloth accordingly and would agree with this being a sensible way to go, but to go about their business the way they are doing... no thank you!!! |
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Quote ="bulls2487"If the contract was offered by Chalmers/Mcfarlane etc maybe the contract offered was more the club can now afford? You can't really blame the new owners for withdrawing an offer when its all about cutting costs after another overspend. Or would we rather see them stretch the budget again?'"
Trust me, this player was one of the lowest paid players in the team so I cannot see how the club cannot afford it, especially given they have publicly stated their playing budget will be still significantly higher than most Championship sides.
The main issue is that players have committed to a deal, been strung along by the club for months and then hung out to dry. The player I know has been lucky to find a deal that will work for him in the short term but that sends out a really bad message to other players thinking about joining the club.
Agents are already taking their players out in vast numbers (the postman doesn't seem to deliver to the Dewsbury postcode icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" /> ) and others will certainly think twice when they have a number of offers on the table.
I totally get us cutting cloth accordingly and would agree with this being a sensible way to go, but to go about their business the way they are doing... no thank you!!! | |
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Quote ="Highlander"What would it take to get people back? What else does the club need to do?
The club is doing all the usual things - resigning players (Would signing a couple of new players help, rather than keeping last years?)
Preseason training has started - media being released.
Employees being interviewed - coaching staff & players
Preseason friendlies starting to be announced
Ticket offers being announced - the Blackpool bash (meh) and the free tickets for community club u12 and younger juniors - bit more significant
Is it all about transparency? An inquiry and if mismanagement is found then punishment. Is that what we are looking for?
Or do we just not want Wood to be involved? More specifically, do we want Wood to be formally exonerated by an inquiry before we accept him....
Would we be happier if it was announced all (non-director) creditors had been paid back? Is that what it would take? That would be a statement of intent. Would help calm my background fear that administration is still pending.
There are just too many questions without ">answers.'"
All valid questions. For me the club and the RFL cannot be separated and until a full independent investigation is undertaken into the RFL's involvement in:
a) purchasing the leasehold at Odsal - why did they do it really?, what was the due diligence?, did they know or had they even considered the ramifications such a decision would have on the club and their credit position?
b) the reasoning behind their choice of every owner that has failed since the first administration in 2012 - what bids were tabled? and why did they chose certain bids over others?
and c) what is the process involved in proving the successful bidders were fit and proper for owning a club? - what checks take place?, are they financially vetted?, is proof of funds verified?
Until all these questions are answered, I don't think anyone can have any trust whatsoever that the club is in safe hands, particularly as much of the recent poor history of the club has gone on when the game was in the stewardship of the majority shareholder.
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Quote ="Highlander"What would it take to get people back? What else does the club need to do?
The club is doing all the usual things - resigning players (Would signing a couple of new players help, rather than keeping last years?)
Preseason training has started - media being released.
Employees being interviewed - coaching staff & players
Preseason friendlies starting to be announced
Ticket offers being announced - the Blackpool bash (meh) and the free tickets for community club u12 and younger juniors - bit more significant
Is it all about transparency? An inquiry and if mismanagement is found then punishment. Is that what we are looking for?
Or do we just not want Wood to be involved? More specifically, do we want Wood to be formally exonerated by an inquiry before we accept him....
Would we be happier if it was announced all (non-director) creditors had been paid back? Is that what it would take? That would be a statement of intent. Would help calm my background fear that administration is still pending.
There are just too many questions without ">answers.'"
All valid questions. For me the club and the RFL cannot be separated and until a full independent investigation is undertaken into the RFL's involvement in:
a) purchasing the leasehold at Odsal - why did they do it really?, what was the due diligence?, did they know or had they even considered the ramifications such a decision would have on the club and their credit position?
b) the reasoning behind their choice of every owner that has failed since the first administration in 2012 - what bids were tabled? and why did they chose certain bids over others?
and c) what is the process involved in proving the successful bidders were fit and proper for owning a club? - what checks take place?, are they financially vetted?, is proof of funds verified?
Until all these questions are answered, I don't think anyone can have any trust whatsoever that the club is in safe hands, particularly as much of the recent poor history of the club has gone on when the game was in the stewardship of the majority shareholder.
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For committed, long suffering Bulls fans I guess this topic is their top priority, but looking at the wider struggles and future of the game I fear it is a soon to be forgotten side show. The Super league will increasingly be an international competition (Toronto, New York, France 2 etc) and only a handful of the current top UK teams will remain. The Bulls long ago missed their chance to get back on the ladder and the TV cheque book and the owners of the Wolfpack are in the driving seat. A reasonably competent RFL and a less self serving Super League might have had more control over the process but their incompetence has handed the wheel over to the disrupters.
Wondering how you get Tongan citizenship
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a) purchasing the leasehold at Odsal - why did they do it really?, what was the due diligence?, did they know or had they even considered the ramifications such a decision would have on the club and their credit position?
The answer to this is very simple.
The RFL had lent peter hood £750k which they were in danger of losing if the club went bust.
So by paying an additional 450k and spinning it as they did they covered their a***s
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Quote ="Johnbulls"That was agreed weeks ago Mick,when the move to Dewsbury was finalised.So Mark Sawyer/The Rams were guaranteed that money.Why take it to the next level and get involved with our mess.I certainly dont buy the "I just wanted to help" rubbish been peddled about.Thats nearly as embarrassing as Eric Perez's nonsense "I fell.in love with Bradford Bulls ".Course you did ">Eric.'"
I know it was agreed ago back when we still had daylight at 8:00 pm but as Mark Sawyer said at the fans' forum - no one was willing to step in and save the club, and with the deal to move to Dewsbury in jeopardy IF the club ended up in administration, then you can see why Mark has stepped in on albeit in an advisory capacity.
Eric Perez is doing a lot of the day to day running through Tracey and Paul until the club finds a chief executive.
Did anyone in here seriously want the club to go under for a fifth time? I'd be surprised if that was the case.
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Quote ="Johnbulls"That was agreed weeks ago Mick,when the move to Dewsbury was finalised.So Mark Sawyer/The Rams were guaranteed that money.Why take it to the next level and get involved with our mess.I certainly dont buy the "I just wanted to help" rubbish been peddled about.Thats nearly as embarrassing as Eric Perez's nonsense "I fell.in love with Bradford Bulls ".Course you did ">Eric.'"
I know it was agreed ago back when we still had daylight at 8:00 pm but as Mark Sawyer said at the fans' forum - no one was willing to step in and save the club, and with the deal to move to Dewsbury in jeopardy IF the club ended up in administration, then you can see why Mark has stepped in on albeit in an advisory capacity.
Eric Perez is doing a lot of the day to day running through Tracey and Paul until the club finds a chief executive.
Did anyone in here seriously want the club to go under for a fifth time? I'd be surprised if that was the case.
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Quote ="bulls2487"=#0000BF[iThe club was already liquidated when Thorne came to an agreement with the administrator[/i, he created a new business in Jan 2017. Like I said a bit of research helps'"
That's actually somewhat of a fallacy, bulls2487.
The truth is that it was Nigel Wood who on 3 January 2017 mistakenly announced to the press and media c/o a bogus press release that Marc Green's BBNL was 'liquidated' (see below):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/38418199
The truth is that BBNL entered into liquidation in February 2017, as evidenced on Companies House website.
Everbody fell for the RFL's (or in reality Nigel's) charade. Worse still the RFL, and in particular Nigel, elected not to correct their blatant error.
Why was this? Because it paved the way to allow the RFL's (and Nigel's) chosen one, Chalmers, to very shortly thereafter be gift wrapped the club, its remaining assets and an operating licence for zilch, and for BB17 to be incorporated on 13 January 2017.
Given our RFL insider connection, 'we' have 100% proof of the above, but have been advised at this stage not to upload it on to a public forum. A court of law would be a far better place to make such a disclosure. Moreover, with the benefit of litigation privilege then 'we' would be suitably protected in respect of such disclosure and related assertions as part of for example any possible anticipated legal proceedings!
Regardless of the above legal mumbo jumbo, the fact is that what happended to the Bulls, in particular towards the end of Marc Green's reign, was to all intents and purposes a scandal, and to date we have only hinted at circa 20% of the truth in this regard. |
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Quote ="bulls2487"=#0000BF[iThe club was already liquidated when Thorne came to an agreement with the administrator[/i, he created a new business in Jan 2017. Like I said a bit of research helps'"
That's actually somewhat of a fallacy, bulls2487.
The truth is that it was Nigel Wood who on 3 January 2017 mistakenly announced to the press and media c/o a bogus press release that Marc Green's BBNL was 'liquidated' (see below):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/38418199
The truth is that BBNL entered into liquidation in February 2017, as evidenced on Companies House website.
Everbody fell for the RFL's (or in reality Nigel's) charade. Worse still the RFL, and in particular Nigel, elected not to correct their blatant error.
Why was this? Because it paved the way to allow the RFL's (and Nigel's) chosen one, Chalmers, to very shortly thereafter be gift wrapped the club, its remaining assets and an operating licence for zilch, and for BB17 to be incorporated on 13 January 2017.
Given our RFL insider connection, 'we' have 100% proof of the above, but have been advised at this stage not to upload it on to a public forum. A court of law would be a far better place to make such a disclosure. Moreover, with the benefit of litigation privilege then 'we' would be suitably protected in respect of such disclosure and related assertions as part of for example any possible anticipated legal proceedings!
Regardless of the above legal mumbo jumbo, the fact is that what happended to the Bulls, in particular towards the end of Marc Green's reign, was to all intents and purposes a scandal, and to date we have only hinted at circa 20% of the truth in this regard. | |
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Quote ="bullinenemyland"All valid questions. For me the club and the RFL cannot be separated and until a full independent investigation is undertaken into the RFL's involvement in:
a) purchasing the leasehold at Odsal - why did they do it really?, what was the due diligence?, did they know or had they even considered the ramifications such a decision would have on the club and their credit position?
b) the reasoning behind their choice of every owner that has failed since the first administration in 2012 - what bids were tabled? and why did they chose certain bids over others?
and c) what is the process involved in proving the successful bidders were fit and proper for owning a club? - what checks take place?, are they financially vetted?, is proof of funds verified?
Until all these questions are answered, I don't think anyone can have any trust whatsoever that the club is in safe hands, particularly as much of the recent poor history of the club has gone on when the game was in the stewardship of the majority ">shareholder.'"
Well said - you've encapsulated everything that needs to be done.
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Quote ="bullinenemyland"All valid questions. For me the club and the RFL cannot be separated and until a full independent investigation is undertaken into the RFL's involvement in:
a) purchasing the leasehold at Odsal - why did they do it really?, what was the due diligence?, did they know or had they even considered the ramifications such a decision would have on the club and their credit position?
b) the reasoning behind their choice of every owner that has failed since the first administration in 2012 - what bids were tabled? and why did they chose certain bids over others?
and c) what is the process involved in proving the successful bidders were fit and proper for owning a club? - what checks take place?, are they financially vetted?, is proof of funds verified?
Until all these questions are answered, I don't think anyone can have any trust whatsoever that the club is in safe hands, particularly as much of the recent poor history of the club has gone on when the game was in the stewardship of the majority ">shareholder.'"
Well said - you've encapsulated everything that needs to be done.
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Quote ="Rarebreed"Well said - you've encapsulated everything that needs to be ">done.'"
Question C was answered by Ken Jones on the full eighty minutes last year after the Shane Spencer scandal.
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Quote ="Rarebreed"Well said - you've encapsulated everything that needs to be ">done.'"
Question C was answered by Ken Jones on the full eighty minutes last year after the Shane Spencer scandal.
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Quote ="nestegg"That's actually somewhat of a fallacy, bulls2487.
The truth is that it was Nigel Wood who on 3 January 2017 mistakenly announced to the press and media c/o a bogus press release that Marc Green's BBNL was 'liquidated' (see below):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/38418199
The truth is that BBNL entered into liquidation in February 2017, as evidenced on Companies House website.
Everbody fell for the RFL's (or in reality Nigel's) charade. Worse still the RFL, and in particular Nigel, elected not to correct their blatant error.
Why was this? Because it paved the way to allow the RFL's (and Nigel's) chosen one, Chalmers, to very shortly thereafter be gift wrapped the club, its remaining assets and an operating licence for zilch, and for BB17 to be incorporated on 13 January 2017.
Given our RFL insider connection, 'we' have 100% proof of the above, but have been advised at this stage not to upload it on to a public forum. A court of law would be a far better place to make such a disclosure. Moreover, with the benefit of litigation privilege then 'we' would be suitably protected in respect of such disclosure and related assertions as part of for example any possible anticipated legal proceedings!
Regardless of the above legal mumbo jumbo, the fact is that what happended to the Bulls, in particular towards the end of Marc Green's reign, was to all intents and purposes a scandal, and to date we have only hinted at circa 20% of the truth in this ">regard.'"
Thats why the TUPE was invoked which cost the Club and Sod Hall money and also the chance to stay up because of the Players and Staff being refused it and then having to go to a tribunal!
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Quote ="nestegg"That's actually somewhat of a fallacy, bulls2487.
The truth is that it was Nigel Wood who on 3 January 2017 mistakenly announced to the press and media c/o a bogus press release that Marc Green's BBNL was 'liquidated' (see below):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/38418199
The truth is that BBNL entered into liquidation in February 2017, as evidenced on Companies House website.
Everbody fell for the RFL's (or in reality Nigel's) charade. Worse still the RFL, and in particular Nigel, elected not to correct their blatant error.
Why was this? Because it paved the way to allow the RFL's (and Nigel's) chosen one, Chalmers, to very shortly thereafter be gift wrapped the club, its remaining assets and an operating licence for zilch, and for BB17 to be incorporated on 13 January 2017.
Given our RFL insider connection, 'we' have 100% proof of the above, but have been advised at this stage not to upload it on to a public forum. A court of law would be a far better place to make such a disclosure. Moreover, with the benefit of litigation privilege then 'we' would be suitably protected in respect of such disclosure and related assertions as part of for example any possible anticipated legal proceedings!
Regardless of the above legal mumbo jumbo, the fact is that what happended to the Bulls, in particular towards the end of Marc Green's reign, was to all intents and purposes a scandal, and to date we have only hinted at circa 20% of the truth in this ">regard.'"
Thats why the TUPE was invoked which cost the Club and Sod Hall money and also the chance to stay up because of the Players and Staff being refused it and then having to go to a tribunal!
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Some changes have been made to the list of directors on Companies House website. Mark Kilgallon and Sandra Wood are now shown as being active, The Orcas Rugby League Ltd has resigned, but Andrew Chalmers is shown as still being a director.
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Quote ="sirkeith"Some changes have been made to the list of directors on Companies House website. Mark Kilgallon and Sandra Wood are now shown as being active, The Orcas Rugby League Ltd has resigned, but Andrew Chalmers is shown as still being a ">director.'"
and The Orcas are still the person with significant control.
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Quote ="sirkeith"Some changes have been made to the list of directors on Companies House website. Mark Kilgallon and Sandra Wood are now shown as being active, The Orcas Rugby League Ltd has resigned, but Andrew Chalmers is shown as still being a ">director.'"
and The Orcas are still the person with significant control.
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Quote ="bullinenemyland"For me the club and the RFL cannot be separated and until a full independent investigation is undertaken into the RFL's involvement in:
a) purchasing the leasehold at Odsal - why did they do it really?, what was the due diligence?, did they know or had they even considered the ramifications such a decision would have on the club and their credit position?
b) the reasoning behind their choice of every owner that has failed since the first administration in 2012 - what bids were tabled? and why did they chose certain bids over others?
and c) what is the process involved in proving the successful bidders were fit and proper for owning a club? - what checks take place?, are they financially vetted?, is proof of funds verified?
Until all these questions are answered, I don't think anyone can have any trust whatsoever that the club is in safe hands, particularly as much of the recent poor history of the club has gone on when the game was in the stewardship of the majority ">shareholder.'"
Good and valid questions.
We may have had our differences of opinion in the past, but let's' try to get on to the same page moving forward.
A brief answer to your 3 queries as quoted above is as follows:
a) Odsal land grab.
b) All except AC were chosen because the RFL had a strong hunch or desire that they would fail, or if they didn't terminally fail, then the RFL hierarchy (Wood, RR and Moorhouse) knew that they could craftily impose fines, withhold central funding etc and consequently the owner incarnations of Hood, then OK, then Green would be thrown under a bus c/o the RFL. This is NOT a conspiracy theory; it's based on facts that we have to hand, and they will be released in to the public arena within say the next 4-6 weeks, and/or passed on to a truly independent body as part of a fair and thorough 'investigation'. In summary over the past 8 years it is alleged that the RFL and Wood have been doing their utmost to stop the Bulls being successful. Why?; see a) above.
c) Up to circa mid 2017 we understand that the RFL's fit and proper person test (FPPT) only vetted a pending owner's business background/ dealings in the UK geographic region. That conveniently meant that AC's failed businesses etc in the ANZAC region were not accounted for. According to one of our RFL insiders the FPPT rules have changed since. Regardless, the FPPT process adopted by the RFL is allegedly a sham and has for the main part been based upon wholly subjective and partial decisions. For example AC's FPPT was signed off by AC's friend - NW.
Trust is thin on the ground.
Things need to change, and we are reasonably confident that they will. Watch this space !
Charles c/o the NEC.
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Quote ="bullinenemyland"For me the club and the RFL cannot be separated and until a full independent investigation is undertaken into the RFL's involvement in:
a) purchasing the leasehold at Odsal - why did they do it really?, what was the due diligence?, did they know or had they even considered the ramifications such a decision would have on the club and their credit position?
b) the reasoning behind their choice of every owner that has failed since the first administration in 2012 - what bids were tabled? and why did they chose certain bids over others?
and c) what is the process involved in proving the successful bidders were fit and proper for owning a club? - what checks take place?, are they financially vetted?, is proof of funds verified?
Until all these questions are answered, I don't think anyone can have any trust whatsoever that the club is in safe hands, particularly as much of the recent poor history of the club has gone on when the game was in the stewardship of the majority ">shareholder.'"
Good and valid questions.
We may have had our differences of opinion in the past, but let's' try to get on to the same page moving forward.
A brief answer to your 3 queries as quoted above is as follows:
a) Odsal land grab.
b) All except AC were chosen because the RFL had a strong hunch or desire that they would fail, or if they didn't terminally fail, then the RFL hierarchy (Wood, RR and Moorhouse) knew that they could craftily impose fines, withhold central funding etc and consequently the owner incarnations of Hood, then OK, then Green would be thrown under a bus c/o the RFL. This is NOT a conspiracy theory; it's based on facts that we have to hand, and they will be released in to the public arena within say the next 4-6 weeks, and/or passed on to a truly independent body as part of a fair and thorough 'investigation'. In summary over the past 8 years it is alleged that the RFL and Wood have been doing their utmost to stop the Bulls being successful. Why?; see a) above.
c) Up to circa mid 2017 we understand that the RFL's fit and proper person test (FPPT) only vetted a pending owner's business background/ dealings in the UK geographic region. That conveniently meant that AC's failed businesses etc in the ANZAC region were not accounted for. According to one of our RFL insiders the FPPT rules have changed since. Regardless, the FPPT process adopted by the RFL is allegedly a sham and has for the main part been based upon wholly subjective and partial decisions. For example AC's FPPT was signed off by AC's friend - NW.
Trust is thin on the ground.
Things need to change, and we are reasonably confident that they will. Watch this space !
Charles c/o the NEC.
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Wondering how you get Tongan citizenship'"
Agree completely with that.
I've nothing against expansion, the more the better, to be honest, but the Euro/Nth American league should be a separate division from our domestic league, all be it with some of our better teams involved. If the overseas clubs 'take over' our domestic league it will kill the game in the UK. | | |
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Quote ="nestegg"Good and valid questions.
We may have had our differences of opinion in the past, but let's' try to get on to the same page moving forward.
A brief answer to your 3 queries as quoted above is as follows:
a) Odsal land grab.
b) All except AC were chosen because the RFL had a strong hunch or desire that they would fail, or if they didn't terminally fail, then the RFL hierarchy (Wood, RR and Moorhouse) knew that they could craftily impose fines, withhold central funding etc and consequently the owner incarnations of Hood, then OK, then Green would be thrown under a bus c/o the RFL. This is NOT a conspiracy theory; it's based on facts that we have to hand, and they will be released in to the public arena within say the next 4-6 weeks, and/or passed on to a truly independent body as part of a fair and thorough 'investigation'. In summary over the past 8 years it is alleged that the RFL and Wood have been doing their utmost to stop the Bulls being successful. Why?; see a) above.
c) Up to circa mid 2017 we understand that the RFL's fit and proper person test (FPPT) only vetted a pending owner's business background/ dealings in the UK geographic region. That conveniently meant that AC's failed businesses etc in the ANZAC region were not accounted for. According to one of our RFL insiders the FPPT rules have changed since. Regardless, the FPPT process adopted by the RFL is allegedly a sham and has for the main part been based upon wholly subjective and partial decisions. For example AC's FPPT was signed off by AC's friend - NW.
Trust is thin on the ground.
Things need to change, and we are reasonably confident that they will. Watch this space !
Charles c/o the ">NEC.'"
Instead of hanging onto the information for an independent enquiry why don't you release the information into the public field. Perhaps that would then force an ennquiry.
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Quote ="nestegg"Good and valid questions.
We may have had our differences of opinion in the past, but let's' try to get on to the same page moving forward.
A brief answer to your 3 queries as quoted above is as follows:
a) Odsal land grab.
b) All except AC were chosen because the RFL had a strong hunch or desire that they would fail, or if they didn't terminally fail, then the RFL hierarchy (Wood, RR and Moorhouse) knew that they could craftily impose fines, withhold central funding etc and consequently the owner incarnations of Hood, then OK, then Green would be thrown under a bus c/o the RFL. This is NOT a conspiracy theory; it's based on facts that we have to hand, and they will be released in to the public arena within say the next 4-6 weeks, and/or passed on to a truly independent body as part of a fair and thorough 'investigation'. In summary over the past 8 years it is alleged that the RFL and Wood have been doing their utmost to stop the Bulls being successful. Why?; see a) above.
c) Up to circa mid 2017 we understand that the RFL's fit and proper person test (FPPT) only vetted a pending owner's business background/ dealings in the UK geographic region. That conveniently meant that AC's failed businesses etc in the ANZAC region were not accounted for. According to one of our RFL insiders the FPPT rules have changed since. Regardless, the FPPT process adopted by the RFL is allegedly a sham and has for the main part been based upon wholly subjective and partial decisions. For example AC's FPPT was signed off by AC's friend - NW.
Trust is thin on the ground.
Things need to change, and we are reasonably confident that they will. Watch this space !
Charles c/o the ">NEC.'"
Instead of hanging onto the information for an independent enquiry why don't you release the information into the public field. Perhaps that would then force an ennquiry.
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Quote ="Mr Dog"and The Orcas are still the person with significant ">control.'"
Changed now to BBBBB LTD.
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Quote ="Mr Dog"and The Orcas are still the person with significant ">control.'"
Changed now to BBBBB LTD.
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At least you'll not need to run the fantasy league in 2020. Every cloud.... | | |
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Quote ="bulls2487"Changed now to BBBBB ">LTD.'"
Not quite....both BBBBB LTD and the Orcas are shown as PWSC and both as owning 75% or more of shares or voting rights? BBBBB has 2 officers: Kimberely Stather (sole shareholder) and Charlotte Louise Monkman. Not sure where Wood fits in all this?
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Quote ="bulls2487"Changed now to BBBBB ">LTD.'"
Not quite....both BBBBB LTD and the Orcas are shown as PWSC and both as owning 75% or more of shares or voting rights? BBBBB has 2 officers: Kimberely Stather (sole shareholder) and Charlotte Louise Monkman. Not sure where Wood fits in all this?
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The truth is that it was Nigel Wood who on 3 January 2017 mistakenly announced to the press and media c/o a bogus press release that Marc Green's BBNL was 'liquidated' (see below):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/38418199
The truth is that BBNL entered into liquidation in February 2017, as evidenced on Companies House website.
Everbody fell for the RFL's (or in reality Nigel's) charade. Worse still the RFL, and in particular Nigel, elected not to correct their blatant error.
Why was this? Because it paved the way to allow the RFL's (and Nigel's) chosen one, Chalmers, to very shortly thereafter be gift wrapped the club, its remaining assets and an operating licence for zilch, and for BB17 to be incorporated on 13 January 2017.
Given our RFL insider connection, 'we' have 100% proof of the above, but have been advised at this stage not to upload it on to a public forum. A court of law would be a far better place to make such a disclosure. Moreover, with the benefit of litigation privilege then 'we' would be suitably protected in respect of such disclosure and related assertions as part of for example any possible anticipated legal proceedings!
Regardless of the above legal mumbo jumbo, the fact is that what happended to the Bulls, in particular towards the end of Marc Green's reign, was to all intents and purposes a scandal, and to date we have only hinted at circa 20% of the truth in this ">regard.'"
Thanks Nestegg (first on here im guessing) has a bit of a chip on his shoulder at times
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Quote ="nestegg"That's actually somewhat of a fallacy, bulls2487.
The truth is that it was Nigel Wood who on 3 January 2017 mistakenly announced to the press and media c/o a bogus press release that Marc Green's BBNL was 'liquidated' (see below):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/38418199
The truth is that BBNL entered into liquidation in February 2017, as evidenced on Companies House website.
Everbody fell for the RFL's (or in reality Nigel's) charade. Worse still the RFL, and in particular Nigel, elected not to correct their blatant error.
Why was this? Because it paved the way to allow the RFL's (and Nigel's) chosen one, Chalmers, to very shortly thereafter be gift wrapped the club, its remaining assets and an operating licence for zilch, and for BB17 to be incorporated on 13 January 2017.
Given our RFL insider connection, 'we' have 100% proof of the above, but have been advised at this stage not to upload it on to a public forum. A court of law would be a far better place to make such a disclosure. Moreover, with the benefit of litigation privilege then 'we' would be suitably protected in respect of such disclosure and related assertions as part of for example any possible anticipated legal proceedings!
Regardless of the above legal mumbo jumbo, the fact is that what happended to the Bulls, in particular towards the end of Marc Green's reign, was to all intents and purposes a scandal, and to date we have only hinted at circa 20% of the truth in this ">regard.'"
Thanks Nestegg (first on here im guessing) has a bit of a chip on his shoulder at times
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Wonder if she's related to the recent University Challenge legend. Or maybe she's a really poor superhero...
On a more serious note, a quick google shows that Ms. Monkman actually used to have what appears to be a H.R. style role at the RFL. Edit: Never mind, found it. She was Ralph Rimmer's P.A. and is now Secretary of BBBBBBBBB Ltd [urlhttps://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/steve-prescott-man-of-steel-petition-handed-to-rfl/[/url | | | |
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