Quote ="nestegg"Fair point re what you say above and WE take your reasonable concerns on board. 'We' have clearly taken Belcki in to our widened fold; she is aligned to the Council and her and fellow council folk were (and still are) concerned about what the hell has been, and still is, going on at Odsal - one of the region's most prized assets; well at least in terms of potential, albeit Sport England as a statutory consultee will rightfully have something to say about Odsal's future. She and her pals also previously queried whether or not AC really was (as many had hoped) the new Bulls messiah. Maybe he was, and is he really gone for good!? Thank you anyhow for your positive comments to date. We accept that some members just don't want to hear any inference that all may not be fine and dandy with our club. Well they don't have to follow such threads as this one then do they? In excess of 1000 posts on this topic is one hell of a lot; so some people must at least be intrigued. We also sincerely hope the Bulls has a team next year, but as things stand we wouldn't bet on it. 'We' now includes some investigative journo types, and when, or if, we go to print or pass on a story (if there is one!) and robust evidence to a credible outlet then you may come across it. and not in a RL mag. In the immediate term, given that some of us are 'whistleblowers; inc from within the RFL and BMDC, then we trust you can understand and respect why we will not at this stage (or possibly ever) reveal and/or confirm our identity. To function effectively as an open forum then this site must wherever necessary be able to maintain anonymity.'" /> These posters (they appear to be a plural) don't know the difference between imply and infer, so for all the posturing, they're not actually serious people.

Quote ="nestegg"Fair point re what you say above and WE take your reasonable concerns on board. 'We' have clearly taken Belcki in to our widened fold; she is aligned to the Council and her and fellow council folk were (and still are) concerned about what the hell has been, and still is, going on at Odsal - one of the region's most prized assets; well at least in terms of potential, albeit Sport England as a statutory consultee will rightfully have something to say about Odsal's future. She and her pals also previously queried whether or not AC really was (as many had hoped) the new Bulls messiah. Maybe he was, and is he really gone for good!? Thank you anyhow for your positive comments to date. We accept that some members just don't want to hear any inference that all may not be fine and dandy with our club. Well they don't have to follow such threads as this one then do they? In excess of 1000 posts on this topic is one hell of a lot; so some people must at least be intrigued. We also sincerely hope the Bulls has a team next year, but as things stand we wouldn't bet on it. 'We' now includes some investigative journo types, and when, or if, we go to print or pass on a story (if there is one!) and robust evidence to a credible outlet then you may come across it. and not in a RL mag. In the immediate term, given that some of us are 'whistleblowers; inc from within the RFL and BMDC, then we trust you can understand and respect why we will not at this stage (or possibly ever) reveal and/or confirm our identity. To function effectively as an open forum then this site must wherever necessary be able to maintain anonymity.'" /> These posters (they appear to be a plural) don't know the difference between imply and infer, so for all the posturing, they're not actually serious people.

A state of affairs where the RFL own a speedway and stock car venue where no Rugby is played is ridiculous. Seems nailed on then doesn't it.

Quote ="Pumpetypump"Their suggestion is to dig up some of the terracing behind the posts (i.e. opposite the coral) to create room for track and pits. Still sounds to me that you'd need to take up part of the pitch again. And as much as I loved Derek Fox making use of our stupid corners, I'd vote no to that happening again.'" /> I'd second that, even though I have very fond memories of going to Odsal on Sunday mornings with my Dad and helping lay down the corners (not sure it would be allowed now to let a 10yr old help carrying heavy pallets loaded with turf). Roger Simpson was the groundsman at the time and rubbing shoulders with him like that used to blow my mind (I was a child afterall). Plus its not exactly like Stock Cars and Speedway are going to be packing in the crowds or bring a huge financial backer with them either. Take a look at the venues they use and you can see ther is even less money in their sports than there is in RL. Speedway have a national stadium built in Manchester but if you take a look at it, I doubt it would have ever come off had it not been for the adjoinging leisure facilities and 3G pitch (in the middle). I just cannot see a viable solution to the existing stadium and for me the solution lays with the land over the road (Richard Dunnes).

Quote ="Pumpetypump"Their suggestion is to dig up some of the terracing behind the posts (i.e. opposite the coral) to create room for track and pits. Still sounds to me that you'd need to take up part of the pitch again. And as much as I loved Derek Fox making use of our stupid corners, I'd vote no to that happening again.'" /> I'd second that, even though I have very fond memories of going to Odsal on Sunday mornings with my Dad and helping lay down the corners (not sure it would be allowed now to let a 10yr old help carrying heavy pallets loaded with turf). Roger Simpson was the groundsman at the time and rubbing shoulders with him like that used to blow my mind (I was a child afterall). Plus its not exactly like Stock Cars and Speedway are going to be packing in the crowds or bring a huge financial backer with them either. Take a look at the venues they use and you can see ther is even less money in their sports than there is in RL. Speedway have a national stadium built in Manchester but if you take a look at it, I doubt it would have ever come off had it not been for the adjoinging leisure facilities and 3G pitch (in the middle). I just cannot see a viable solution to the existing stadium and for me the solution lays with the land over the road (Richard Dunnes).

The key is always going to be "multi-use" stadium. Bulls as anchor tenants, as much football in there as can be arranged. Surrounding area with 4G pitches - again multi use. Is there scope for covered cricket - nets, for off season?



My own personal desire would be for Horsfall to be developed further purely for athletics and BPA to be equal shareholders in a community stadium, but as they've just invested more into Horsfall, It may not be an option.

Quote ="Highlander"The key is always going to be "multi-use" stadium. Bulls as anchor tenants, as much football in there as can be arranged. Surrounding area with 4G pitches - again multi use. Is there scope for covered cricket - nets, for off season? My own personal desire would be for Horsfall to be developed further purely for athletics and BPA to be equal shareholders in a community stadium, but as they've just invested more into Horsfall, It may not be an option.'" /> Problem with Horsfall is that its unlikely you would ever get a safety certificate to sign off on a decent capacity due to its loaction and objection from neighbours. This was one of the reasons the Bulls chose Dewsbury as a short term option (the other being to try and force the RFL/Councils hand). There is no reason why Horsfall couldn't be developed as a local sports hub that would be home to BPA and Bulls development academies (along with other benefitial public bookings) and a community stadium with a modest opening capacity (with room to expand if required) for the Bulls and BPA to share for their first teams. /> Take a look at the last council sports pitch audit and findings (2013) and you will find a bleak picture back then. If anything its got worse and the council have a duty to provide for their communities... I'd be surprised if much of the action points have actually been carried out.

Quote ="Highlander"The key is always going to be "multi-use" stadium. Bulls as anchor tenants, as much football in there as can be arranged. Surrounding area with 4G pitches - again multi use. Is there scope for covered cricket - nets, for off season? My own personal desire would be for Horsfall to be developed further purely for athletics and BPA to be equal shareholders in a community stadium, but as they've just invested more into Horsfall, It may not be an option.'" /> Problem with Horsfall is that its unlikely you would ever get a safety certificate to sign off on a decent capacity due to its loaction and objection from neighbours. This was one of the reasons the Bulls chose Dewsbury as a short term option (the other being to try and force the RFL/Councils hand). There is no reason why Horsfall couldn't be developed as a local sports hub that would be home to BPA and Bulls development academies (along with other benefitial public bookings) and a community stadium with a modest opening capacity (with room to expand if required) for the Bulls and BPA to share for their first teams. /> Take a look at the last council sports pitch audit and findings (2013) and you will find a bleak picture back then. If anything its got worse and the council have a duty to provide for their communities... I'd be surprised if much of the action points have actually been carried out.

Quote ="Pumpetypump"A state of affairs where the RFL own a speedway and stock car venue where no Rugby is played is ridiculous. Seems nailed on then doesn't it.'" /> When it's put like that.... www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />

Quote ="Pumpetypump"A state of affairs where the RFL own a speedway and stock car venue where no Rugby is played is ridiculous. Seems nailed on then doesn't it.'" /> When it's put like that.... www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />