Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Time for Mr. Teflon to make a statement? Saints have a big pack BUT the grounds are now drying out and that will suit the more athletic and quicker forwards/teams. Saints lack of pace and over reliance on that big pack will be a concern for ">Cunningham.'" I said the same last night BUT the injuries to Greenwood & Vea, along with Wilkin playing in the halves & Josh Jones covering centre last night, are the missing mobile pack players. This means we effectively are playing with 6 props in the 17. You can get away with that against some teams but not against a Leeds team on a fast track. Percival back at centre & a Walsh / Burns half back pairing will help that situation by freeing up Wilkin & Jones to return to the middle.

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Time for Mr. Teflon to make a statement? Saints have a big pack BUT the grounds are now drying out and that will suit the more athletic and quicker forwards/teams. Saints lack of pace and over reliance on that big pack will be a concern for ">Cunningham.'" I said the same last night BUT the injuries to Greenwood & Vea, along with Wilkin playing in the halves & Josh Jones covering centre last night, are the missing mobile pack players. This means we effectively are playing with 6 props in the 17. You can get away with that against some teams but not against a Leeds team on a fast track. Percival back at centre & a Walsh / Burns half back pairing will help that situation by freeing up Wilkin & Jones to return to the middle.

We,ve lost our second rows linking outside with the centres, last year it was Sol and Manu, at the start of the season it was Greenwood and Vea.

LMS is trying to do the job but most of the time he goes to the floor, Jones struggles to make ground because of this sitation and has terrible offensive stats going forward.

Hepefully things improve with Percy in the backline, KC needs needs to work out which is best for Makinson and the team, on the wing or full back.

Quote ="Judder Man"We,ve lost our second rows linking outside with the centres, last year it was Sol and Manu, at the start of the season it was Greenwood and Vea. LMS is trying to do the job but most of the time he goes to the floor, Jones struggles to make ground because of this sitation and has terrible offensive stats going ">forward.'" Neither Jones nor LMS are being helped constantly being juggled around (or in Jones' case, in or out the side). I have a lot of time for both players. LMS is playing the best rugby of his career - under extremely challenging circumstances. For all the stick Jones takes people need to remember that he's still very young. Ironically, I think he's a victim of his own physique. It's very rare to see players emerge from the juniors with the size and shape Jones' possesses. What's more - he's been thrown into all kinds of tough situations - especially defending in undoubtedly the hardest position in the game - centre. I think a lot of people look at him and think he's a lot older than he really is. All I know is that - providing he's handled correctly - Jones will be an absolute beast around the age of 24 or 25. I'm thinking along the lines of Westwood. When he hits an opponent they really do stay hit. He has this weird style - it's almost like being hugged by an enormous grizzly bear. He absolutely poleaxed a couple of Pies in the final. He's got good hands and whilst he's not quick - like Louis - he is very fast off the mark with surprisingly good footwork.

Quote ="Judder Man"We,ve lost our second rows linking outside with the centres, last year it was Sol and Manu, at the start of the season it was Greenwood and Vea. LMS is trying to do the job but most of the time he goes to the floor, Jones struggles to make ground because of this sitation and has terrible offensive stats going ">forward.'" Neither Jones nor LMS are being helped constantly being juggled around (or in Jones' case, in or out the side). I have a lot of time for both players. LMS is playing the best rugby of his career - under extremely challenging circumstances. For all the stick Jones takes people need to remember that he's still very young. Ironically, I think he's a victim of his own physique. It's very rare to see players emerge from the juniors with the size and shape Jones' possesses. What's more - he's been thrown into all kinds of tough situations - especially defending in undoubtedly the hardest position in the game - centre. I think a lot of people look at him and think he's a lot older than he really is. All I know is that - providing he's handled correctly - Jones will be an absolute beast around the age of 24 or 25. I'm thinking along the lines of Westwood. When he hits an opponent they really do stay hit. He has this weird style - it's almost like being hugged by an enormous grizzly bear. He absolutely poleaxed a couple of Pies in the final. He's got good hands and whilst he's not quick - like Louis - he is very fast off the mark with surprisingly good footwork.

Quote ="Mugwump"Neither Jones nor LMS are being helped constantly being juggled around (or in Jones' case, in or out the side). I have a lot of time for both players. LMS is playing the best rugby of his career - under extremely challenging circumstances. For all the stick Jones takes people need to remember that he's still very young. Ironically, I think he's a victim of his own physique. It's very rare to see players emerge from the juniors with the size and shape Jones' possesses. What's more - he's been thrown into all kinds of tough situations - especially defending in undoubtedly the hardest position in the game - centre. I think a lot of people look at him and think he's a lot older than he really is. All I know is that - providing he's handled correctly - Jones will be an absolute beast around the age of 24 or 25. I'm thinking along the lines of Westwood. When he hits an opponent they really do stay hit. He has this weird style - it's almost like being hugged by an enormous grizzly bear. He absolutely poleaxed a couple of Pies in the final. He's got good hands and whilst he's not quick - like Louis - he is very fast off the mark with surprisingly good ">footwork.'" I tend to agree with that on Jones. When he was playing centre regularly, he was very high up on our list of clean breaks and tackle busts. However, because he CAN hack it in the back row, he's been lobbed in there and expected to excel.

Quote ="Mugwump"Neither Jones nor LMS are being helped constantly being juggled around (or in Jones' case, in or out the side). I have a lot of time for both players. LMS is playing the best rugby of his career - under extremely challenging circumstances. For all the stick Jones takes people need to remember that he's still very young. Ironically, I think he's a victim of his own physique. It's very rare to see players emerge from the juniors with the size and shape Jones' possesses. What's more - he's been thrown into all kinds of tough situations - especially defending in undoubtedly the hardest position in the game - centre. I think a lot of people look at him and think he's a lot older than he really is. All I know is that - providing he's handled correctly - Jones will be an absolute beast around the age of 24 or 25. I'm thinking along the lines of Westwood. When he hits an opponent they really do stay hit. He has this weird style - it's almost like being hugged by an enormous grizzly bear. He absolutely poleaxed a couple of Pies in the final. He's got good hands and whilst he's not quick - like Louis - he is very fast off the mark with surprisingly good ">footwork.'" I tend to agree with that on Jones. When he was playing centre regularly, he was very high up on our list of clean breaks and tackle busts. However, because he CAN hack it in the back row, he's been lobbed in there and expected to excel.

When do we expect Vea to be back? Was scheduled to be out for 10 weeks wasn't he? eusa_think.gif" alt="eusa_think.gif" title="THINK" />

When do we expect Vea to be back? Was scheduled to be out for 10 weeks wasn't he? eusa_think.gif" alt="eusa_think.gif" title="THINK" />

Quote ="theblondebomber"When do we expect Vea to be back?'" Don't worry. He'll be back in time to lift the title. Says he wouldn't miss it for the world. icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Quote ="theblondebomber"When do we expect Vea to be back?'" Don't worry. He'll be back in time to lift the title. Says he wouldn't miss it for the world. icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />