He missed the tackle on the man that ran more than half the length of the field.







He could have tackled him.







It was very poor play and the excuses you have given are equally poor. He also looked totally bewildered when taking the tap off on the 20m. He appeared to be very slow thinking and out of his depth to Sinfield's disgust. Eventually he tapped off with his back to the opposition and lobbed the ball to Clarkson who was bundled back of the 20m line. Great stuff from a "real hooker"







He fumbled and lost it when attempting to playing the ball. And Wigan scored on the next set







Perhaps you could try apportioning blame, if blame is your game, to the out of form players who have failed to continue the good run of performances under the same coach.

That's horrible!

hall did not miss the tackle. he jumped to take the catch. once lineham caught it he had a head start.

For the first try Hall ran out of the line and missed the tackle. The player he missed ran half the length of the pitch before passing to another who passed to the scorer as Burrow tackled him.



For their second try Hall was out jumped by their young winger and Hardaker showed a poor attitude in giving up as Vickery ran futher and faster to make the tackle but too late to prevent the try.

The first try Hall blocked off the attack using the overlap but his inside defence was poor in not defending it.



Trying to make out like Hall was anywhere near as bad as Vickery is silly.

Rex Terp continues to get a mention alongside Vickery and the likes of Mark Wilkes. He actually played for St George for a few years, including a Grand Final off the bench. Mark Wilkes would have struggled to get a game in the Queensland Cup.

Hall didn't miss the tackle. I could explain again exactly what happened but I fear you will only choose to ignore it .... again ..... so no point really. If anyone missed the tackle that led to the first Hull try it was Moon.

Hull had four men on Hall and Moon, I don't think they had a chance to stop that break, the last play the ball Leeds had 3 defenders marking two on the short side and the rest of the team made little to no effort to slide across.

Yep, still wasn't as bad as the light finger tickling by JJB for the Crooks try from the now obligatory Sinfield cross field invite.

I know Tony, although strictly speaking it was on Burrow and Hall once Heremaia got on the outside of Moon and I explained all that on the previous page (sorry, it's now page 7) in the post Juan was replying to but he's chosen to ignore what Hall was expected to do and did in that situation. Thanks all the same.

Just read your post on page 7, I have to agree







changing the subject, when was the last time we lost 4 in a row?

Quote Tony Soprano="Tony Soprano"Just read your post on page 7, I have to agree'" Perhaps Juan can explain what Hall was supposed to do any different to what he did in that situation and why the winger was left to face such an overlap in numbers and so early in the game before fatigue can be factored in as any part of the excuse. As I said earlier Moon gets caught looking in (ball watching) as the defence is sliding out then he overspeeds in cover allowing McDonnell to easily cut back and beat him on his inside shoulder after Hall had done his job of covering the 4th tackle kick and then forcing the man back inside while preventing the ball getting out wide to the overlap. Quote Tony Soprano="Tony Soprano"changing the subject, when was the last time we lost 4 in a row?'" Posted two days ago here : viewtopic.php?f=17&t=500492&tsmp=1370271204&start=484 You'll note the similarity between that set of fixtures in 2006 and the ones we've just had and who is up next.

Quote Tony Soprano="Tony Soprano"Just read your post on page 7, I have to agree'" Perhaps Juan can explain what Hall was supposed to do any different to what he did in that situation and why the winger was left to face such an overlap in numbers and so early in the game before fatigue can be factored in as any part of the excuse. As I said earlier Moon gets caught looking in (ball watching) as the defence is sliding out then he overspeeds in cover allowing McDonnell to easily cut back and beat him on his inside shoulder after Hall had done his job of covering the 4th tackle kick and then forcing the man back inside while preventing the ball getting out wide to the overlap. Quote Tony Soprano="Tony Soprano"changing the subject, when was the last time we lost 4 in a row?'" Posted two days ago here : viewtopic.php?f=17&t=500492&tsmp=1370271204&start=484 You'll note the similarity between that set of fixtures in 2006 and the ones we've just had and who is up next.

Hall was also left exposed another occasion in the 1st half and if McDonnell had dummied first then given it to Lineham instead of Hall reading the pass, then it could have been worse

At the PTB that led to Hull's first try, Hall was laying deep, perhaps to cover any kick that Hull may make. As the ball was moved wide Hall join the line late and seeing an overlap coming up decided to come out of the line and take out their centre man and ball as he received thhe ball. He was just a fraction late in, perhaps as he was late joining the line, and was only able to touch the centre with an outstretched hand and was easily brushed off as the centre moved inside him on his long run down the field. An in-form Hall would have taken man and ball in a crash tackle. But as I say his timing is off at present and he missed the tackle. Not fully his fault but his miss was a big contribution.



With regard to Moon there was just a hint of obstruction as contact was made with a Hull player which allowed their man to take an inside line and wrong foot several Leeds players.



Look at the VT or the match highlights on the Leeds website.

I don't think there's any need for me to review the incident again as I doubt it will have altered from when I did so for the detailed post of the try I made on page 7 of this thread.



If I went wrong with that description you should perhaps take this opportunity to say so.



Seems to me you're pretty close to repeating what I said while adding nothing fresh except calling Shannon McDonnell the Hull centre which of course he isn't.

It will be interesting to see what happens to him after this season.Will he go home or sign a deal elswhere?

Not good enough for SL, not good enough for NRL - Championship bound if you ask me.



What I don't get is how he ever managed to get the gig? IMHO (of course) I don't think he's good enough for ANY SL team, let alone Championship title contenders.

I think he could get a gig at a lower end super league team. Don't particularly want him at Leeds but I would think he's a good cheap option for someone tooth not as a first choice maybe

I understand Rhinos have 'asked' if Hunslet will take him several times, but Hunslet 'don't need him'





There are also some others who Rhinos have asked "can you accommodate" and Hunslet have said no. In previous posts I have mentioned these names - but have been shot down by people saying, "your having a laugh xxx is better than any player at Hunslet" It seems not!

Your description and mine are fundamentally different. As I have been stating since page 4, IMO Hall mistimed his challenge on McDonnell and failed in his attempt to take man and ball having comitted himself in coming out of the line. He only managed an outstretched touch on McDonnell who was then able to step inside him and run through an unready and obstructed defence. You blame Moon who you accuse of ball watching whereas I think he was obstructed. Had Hall not shot out of the line he would have ben able to "force" McDonnell to use his overlap or go outside giving our covering defence plenty of chance to stop the attack.



As I say look at the VT or the highlights on the Leeds website.

I still don't think I need to review the footage again although clearly you had to be told that it was Shannon McDonnell and not the Hull centre that broke the line.



Was it also on page four when you stated "=#0000FFHall a world class winger is currently out of form and on the last 3 games has been worse than Vickery." He hasn't IMO but is your view backed by the Opta stats this week?



So in the 2nd minute of the Hull game is it your contention that Hall should have stayed on his wing despite Leeds being outnumbered?



I was happy that he came inside in that situation and prevented the ball getting to the overlap - unfortunately for Hall and Leeds it was the slow to react than overplay on the drift by Moon and Jones-Buchanan unable to stay in touch on the inside that created the hole in the defence that McDonnell exploited.

And winning a point about a name is important to you when it made no difference to the point I was making.







Against Hull Hall made more metres than Vickery which was the first time in 3 games. Hall made 2 tackles and missed 2 (one of which led to a try.). Vickery made 4 tackles with zero misses. Vickery also made a Marker Tackle and Hall didn't.



Nice to see you are friends again with Opta. Since you are shall we also compare Vickery and Hall in the two previous games. Against the Saints Vickery made 3 rackles to Hall's zero. Hall made more carries but less metres giving Vickery a better average gain. Hall made one error and Vickery none.



Against Wigan Vickery scored a try and Hall nothing. Hall made 3 tackles and also 3 missed tackles. Vickery 2 tackles with one miss and one marker. Vickery once again made more metres from less carries with again a better average gain. He also made one clean break and Hall zero. While Hall made 3 errors to Vickerys 2.



All this supports my point that Hall is out of sorts his timing is off and he is missing tackles. He is a class act and will play himself back into form as will other key players. I am not suggesting for a second that Vickery is anywhere near as good. However in recent games the focus of criticism has been soley on Vickery which has been most unfair.







Yes. Unless he was certain to take man and ball. If Hall had of stayed back the ball carrier would have either passed to the man outside or used him as a foil and our sliding cover defence would most likley have prevented a score. Had Hall stayed in line it is not likley that McDonnell would have cut back inside as he had the overlap.







The Hall missed tackle and the ball carrier coming inside plus some obstruction to the Leeds defenders allowed our defence to be split open and this together with excellent handling completed the try.

he's not good enough for hunslet never mind super league

Not good enough for Hunslet, yet good enough to get a contract at Gold Coast and be a regular member of their reserve grade side - a level well above anything the Championship has to offer?



Some people really are masters of hyperbole.

have you ever actually watched their reserves?