no I hadn't. I gave my views and reasons views. yours was a typical response. its not and never will be brians fault. simple as that. no matter what, in your eyes he's never at fault

We can analyse the tactics , the coaching , the players etc forever and a day , but the simple fact are Hull fc we're far too powerful up front for us to live with . This enabled the likes of Sneyd , Kelly and Houghton the time and space to control the game as they liked . The importance of winning the arm wrestle is too often overlooked . The Hull pack were magnificent yesterday and never took a backward step , our pack was shown to be nowhere near strong or aggressive enough . Outmuscled , out enthused , and sadly not really of the required standard at this level .

It reminded me of the old pre-Super League days. We flatter to deceive during the season, winning more than we lose, then when it comes to crunch time, we get hammered.

I think Mcdermotts a bad coach,we look woeduly unorganized and lacking in any structure most games and it feels like we havnt controlled the ptb since he got here,this will lead to the pack being knackerd after 20 mins,this is compounded by having a bench with either unfit players,too many backs or just not using players atall,these are all coaching issues. Imo we'd see a sizeable raise in performance from even some of our lesser players if we had a competent coach who gave the players the best platform to succeed. This isnt just a reaction to yesterday...Iv never rated him.

24 hours later, one thing stands out more than the rest for me of yesterday's performance. There seems to be no hunger about the place anymore. Some might call it professionalism but whatever it is, that will to go further and harder than the other team, it's missing for Leeds these days and it has been for a little while.

The players should shoulder a large portion of the blame for the performance yesterday, or in any individual game, but when you string a series of similar performances together, or ones like we have seen for the last 12-18 months, where when it got tough we folded, you can only look to GH and BMD for they are the ones with the power to change failing players.

Hysterical? Nope your mis-reading the tone of an opinion but i aren't surprised.
More of the same "its not brians fault"
As for the long history once again you fail to take anything in context.
Why have'nt you answered the selection or gameplan issues?
Onto the Coach not being blameless where have you actually put he was to blame for ANYTHING?
Just like earlier in the Season when you were slating Sutcliffe for running & getting caught on the 5th you blame the player yet when Mags revealed it came from the Coach to avoid a 7 tackle set you claimed it could be a good tactic

loads of rugby acuman.
Also my posts state clearly about GH & the Players also being at fault.
It's a forum for opinions if mine are predictable & boring then blatantly so are yours pal.

Moving forward in the season we still need to get Watkins more involved, whether that's moving back to full back Im not sure but I would be tempted.

Also does Lilley start with Moon moving back to centre?

for me yes. let him organise and McGuire run

Id play sutcliffe in the for the rest of this season if he's fit,moon may not be a proper half but we'v scored a lot more points since he moved there

Watching the pre game we could do with bmm.

If you look back over the BM coaching period my opinions have been justified in most cases whereas the anti-mac brigade have just kept posting the same old same old against Mac and he has just kept winning trophies since 2011 with the odd exception.

If poor performances are in the majority how come we are 2nd in the table. Unlike many other SL sides we have not recruited stars each year and the coach has had to put up with some exceptional negative circumstances with a gradually aging squad, yet still manages to be in the hunt for trophies again this year.

To be fair you do occasionally give credit to BM when due which is why I do not class you along with those that appear to want Leeds to fail just so they can say after 6 years 'I told you I was right'

Hulls pack got on top yesterday and put us under some pressure, certain players couldnt handle that pressure. Certain players could.

I think Parcell, Mcguire, Watkins, Hall, Cuthbertson, all played well. I think Ferres and Briscoe were terrible. I think some players like Mullally and Keinhorst played ok but are at the limit of their talent. I think we missed Galloway's size too.

I wouldnt blame McDermott, i think this squad is probably were it deserves to be, in and around but not quite there. I think we have a decent squad but a few of our big money players who should be difference makers are struggling to even reach adequate.

I think we will make the top 4 and if we do anything could happen, but to move forward i'd lose Ablett who seems to have lost his hands and doesnt seem to be dynamic anymore, Ferres who has a been a flop, Briscoe is shot, and have a chat with Galloway and see just how committed he is to coming back again from such a major injury, which would free up a huge amount of cap space, and go out and get a true Marquee second rower, an experienced proven prop and a winger to replace Briscoe if we have decided Handley isnt up to it (though i still think Handley has all the tools necessary)

Leeds got to the CC cup semi on the back of 3 games against non SL opposition

Their position in the league is down to Wigan having a very serious injury list and an inconsistent Hull side who appear to have peaked at the right time of the year.

There are very few on here who say the quality of SL so far has been much cop - finishing second is hardly a thing to brag about.

As I said before Leeds haven't won a game that matters since the GF of 2015 - time will tell if they can actually turn up and deliver when the something is on the line

the next 7 games when all teams step up a gear will sort the men from the boys.

yes, and we are looking more like boys than men !

Do all teams step up in the final 7 games? Must've missed those classics Hudds finishes or Hull finishing a league season strongly.

well there's an excuse ready and waiting for you

As opposed to the "all other teams are cr@p" nonense from the likes of you?

They don't. There's usually one or two that get found out. Salford and Wakey have done well to get where they are but I wouldn't be too surprised if their wheels came off. Trouble is, ours might too.

Good God no!
We are already too slow in the halves without putting a carthorse in there. Send him back to the Championship that's his maximum potential.

Out of the Challenge Cup?

I guess that's about the best we can hope for from BMD's "masterclass of attacking plans". Three tries from kicks, not once looking like we might prise open gaps in their defensive line with classy attacking play/options. Would someone PLEASE PLEASE tell me just what is BMD's attacking philosophy/plans/structure?

EDIT: I do remember the excellent attack in the 1st half from our own half on the 5th tackle. Please, BMD sycophants & apologists, do not try to tell me that BMD engineered that!

Same issues as last few years.

No organising/general/ in field kicker at 7.
No eexplosive/ attacking back rowers

Add that to poor or bizarre bench/ sub use, the flogging of older or injured players doing big minutes, no direction, no plan for opposition 20, little to no ability to get good early ball to outside backs, virtually no kicking game .

Hull played well yesterday, our best performance in quite some time. As another poster alluded to the thing that surprised me from the Hull end when the score was, I think, 25-12 but plenty of time to go and we'd drilled a deep kick into the corner. Golding was the only Leeds player trying to form the scrum quickly and looked a bit narked that the raft of senior players were sort of trudging back - the body language surprised me for a team that's had the opposite of this as its USP for several years. Just an observation.