I still like Handley too. And I feel so sorry for Mik carrying that pack at his age.

Agar has to go simple these sets of players need someone who can whip them into shape they think it's acceptable to perform horrendously week in week out. Massive changes need it this club Massive.

Agar has to go simple these sets of players need someone who can whip them into shape they think it's acceptable to perform horrendously week in week out. Massive changes need it this club Massive.

Yes as I said earlier a lot of the players are not this bad.

Handley
Leeming
Bentley
Oledski
Tetevano
Even Sezer and Austin aren’t this bad.

He may well be, but doesn't he want the DOR job? How can he be DOR and responsible for recruitment / rugby matters when he hasn't got a clue? Still don't understand why Furner was sacked..? Was it because he spoke the truth about some of the dross we had / have.... and wanted to clear it out? I just don't see what Sean Long brings to the party as he is supposed be the attack coach? can someone point out the "attacking" we have done this season.. One bug bear i have is our total inability to tackle.. it's shocking. My son's u16 team show more ability in tackling. Get ur bloody shoulders into the ribs. Rant over.
I also think there needs to be other changes at the club.. some people are past their sell by date. New owners wouldn't go a miss with fresh ideas. Maybe time for the sleeve to step aside.. i think there was a post somewhere on the forum about how long some people have been at the club.. maybe fresh faces would help./

Though I think he should play in the halves now as a short term fix I still don't think Leeming will ever be good enough to get leeds back to competing at the top.

What's really galling is how Johnson was quickly hooked as if there aren't many more that should have gone before him. The squad isn't good enough but still Agar for me is the clear problem.

Will that be the 6th season of rebuilding….I lose count…seems to be never ending

Again with the revisionism of Furner he was sacked because he was rubbish

Look at whatHolbrook did at saints with the same players as Cunningham furner wasnt up to it

What annoys me is how bad the halfbacks have been. Our kicking game has been worse than last season when we had no halves. The kicks from sezer when we had 12 men on was shocking. I can understand why were down in the middle, and though we should have strengthened, we needed to find the right player, but the halves have stunk the place out almost every game

We’ll never know with Furner. Was not Given long enough. Ruffled the wrong feathers, but is clearly a good coach. Straight back into NRL assistant role.

That is the most worrying aspect of this team and It doesn't look like theyve got it in them to get any better. Austin at least to be moved on at the end of the year.

Yes we’ll never know but Furner had us playing turgid stuff, we were looking like relegation material, he was terrible for us.

Much like Agar has done for a large proportion of his time in the role. We were just as poor last year but he was given allowances by many on here with the disruption to the halves. We'll we've got halves now an we're still as bad.

Subsumed you have to go back to go forwards . He obviously came in decided the playing squad was dross , and not capable of expansive play. Then JJB turned on him, and took everyone with him…
But yeah, we’ll never really know…but got a job again in NRL easy enough….

In the two full seasons Agar has been in charge we’ve not looked like getting relegated.

He needs to go but lets not whitewash what he took over

Look what his successor will have to take over. Its not much better.

Not a head coaches job though, as I say look at holbrook and what he achieved taking over a supposedly rubbish side

You can’t just use one example in a Different team to prove a point. Being able to sign Ben Barber helped too….!

Im using it as an example of a coach coming in and making a difference then it being recognised by getting a head cosch job in the NRL

Furner did neither of those things in fact he made us worse.

He also had 3 big signings come with him.

Furner was s flop im not sure what the point in looking back at it with rose tinted glasses and what ifs will achieve now.

My issue at the moment is if the now inevitable happens and a new man appointed if he loses next week and we get battered v Saints the new coach bounce will be gone.

Is there anyone even available? The NRL has just started so would assistants want to come over? Cant see it.

Jeez what a mess we are in. Thought the team tried tonight compared to last week but that probably makes it worse in a way.

The team has zero confidence, zero leadership and zero pace. Rob Oates was going potty tonight and hes a Director of the club. Not a good look.

Do I trust Hetherington to sort this fiasco out? In truth, he has been fantastic for Leeds but ive no faith he will turn this around at all.

Im sure changes will be made soon enough but we need them to be the right ones and im not sure its out there at the moment.

We can slag the players off, we can knock the coach but the issues are deeper than that i feel. Weve signed established NRL/International players like Merrin, Tetevano and Hurrell but they dont seem to work out. We dont seem to be able to get a spine playing, we are always carrying injuries.

The discipline is attrocious and we never learn. Two more binned tonight but will the club deal with it or complain its the RFL's disciplinary commitee to blame? Sort it f...ing out. We clearly arent good enough to win games with 12 men on the park for a quarter of the game.

Letting Sinfield walk when deep down he didnt want to was a huge mistake. He wanted his role changing to its original form. Even after signing for Leicester he couldve been pursuaded to stay, I know he could, but he was allowed to walk.

We look rotten to the core again im sorry to say.

I will say i feel sorry for Agar, hes a decent RL man from a true RL family. I think hes done a better job than given credit for but its clearly gone horribly wrong this season for him. I think hes a honest man and will be the 1st to say this isnt good enough for Leeds Rugby League.

In peace hey I'm a Salford fan just want to reiterate what I posted on your forum at the beginning of the season (Wigan game I think) and that was, I've just watched Sezar and Austin and I've watched what I already knew about them, whilst nobody replied good or bad it's just one of them things in RL where average players sign for Leeds etc there world beaters, it's like no one seen them at Hudds/Wire before or Cade Cust (WHO) signs for Wigan and is installed as MoS favorite.

Tonight during the second half I looked at the Leeds team as I hadn't noticed if either of these blokes were playing tonight ?

I 100% agree regarding Agar, he’s a decent honest guy and lets face it he didn’t get brought in for this, he did a great job in sorting the team out, he should really have moved upstairs at the end of last year.

I also agree about Sinfield letting him leave was a ridiculous thing to do if he didn’t actually want to go.

I don’t know what the issues are and wouldn’t profess to know how to fix it but it seems to me the whole of the club needs to take a good look at itself and not just the playing and coachimg side. And they need to do something quick, I don’t think relegation will be an issue I di think the squad is good enough to pull out of that but if they don’t address it, crowds will continue to fall and we’ll end up with another 5 or more years of undoing the mess.

This isn’t usually what I would say but do we put more of the homegrown players in more often? Tindall, Broadbent even Sinfield, johnson? Or could thst do more harm than good?

Sounds like Corey Johnson may have a bad knee injury now from tonights game. Broadbent did okish tonight but must improve his D, but needs games. Sinfield is a long way off and is still 17 if he had a different name nobody would be calling for him but he is talented but nowhere near SL ready yet. Tindall is a strong running kid but couldnt tackle us but would offer more than Briscoe.

Difficult for any youngster coming into this team at the moment.

I'm not too fussed about this season any more. The imperative now has to be total reboot and if that means leaving things with agar in the short term to secure the right coaches in the long term, so be it.
Long and JJB must go. Not sure why the former is here, no coaching achievement of any note. Less than agar, and that's saying something. We're falling into exactly the same hole with JJB. Even the basics are missing defence wise. We're surely the least impactful side in the comp in terms of tackling?

All these same signs were there last year too and it's been left to rot.