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| Just heard on radio leeds about a complaint about huddersfield town fans shouting anti semetic chants,and the club investigating the complaint.This sort of thing is getting quite a high profile in football right now.I dont have to name names,but the places where Leeds rl have played over the years and have this kind of thing shouted from the terraces I wonder if action will be taken if it happens this coming season?
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| If it is isolated individuals, I would expect them to be dealt with appropriately as and when identified. That wouldn't strike me as all that newsworthy.
I think recent issues in football have involved chanting from relatively large sections of crowds at some matches. That is obviously a larger and more complicated issue to deal with.
I've been most shocked by the return of "monkey" gestures in UK stadia recently. I thought this would have died out in the 80s. I presume it never left football grounds (which I don't much visit), which was more than a little disappointing. Perhaps had I been to more football matches I wouldn't have been shocked. I'm therefore glad I never go to football matches.
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| I remember at Leigh a couple years ago they were chanting "you're just a town full of bombers" but in recent years that's about as bad as I've heard in a Rugby ground.
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| Quote Fat Boy="Fat Boy"I remember at Leigh a couple years ago they were chanting "you're just a town full of bombers" but in recent years that's about as bad as I've heard in a Rugby ground.'"
Dulls and Hull fans were chanting that at us the fixtures straight after it happend mate.
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| Those sHudds fans pop up whenever we play them at their gaff, they won't be seen again until next we meet at their gaff. Hopefully never.
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| Quote rhinoms="rhinoms"Dulls and Hull fans were chanting that at us the fixtures straight after it happend mate.'"
Didn't it happen at Warrington as well? I seem to remember it provoking some outcry on here.
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| The only people I've ever referred to Leeds as "Lids" on this forum have been some Huddersfield fans.
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| After a game at Wheldon Road we had to wait in their club for one of our party after the match. The DJ announced over the tannoy 'Don't worry about the rest of the season, at least we've beaten the Yids!' to much chortling from the locals.
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| Quote gulfcoast_highwayman="gulfcoast_highwayman"After a game at Wheldon Road we had to wait in their club for one of our party after the match. The DJ announced over the tannoy 'Don't worry about the rest of the season, at least we've beaten the Yids!' to much chortling from the locals.'"
'twas well publicised at the time and the club apologised, it was their supporters bar wasn't it ?
The gormless and imbecile find it easy to tag themselves onto most sporting clubs and frankly you'll never get rid of them, what I found heartening about Cas in recent years is that the non gormless and non-imbecile in their following are always at pains to apologise and to try and identify the culprits - which is how it should be in rugby.
To be honest they have nothing to apologise to me for, I am not personally offended by their remarks, just amazed that they think I will be, if calling me Jewish is their idea of a gross insult then you have to wonder at the breadth of their imagination.
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| Quote JerryChicken="JerryChicken"'twas well publicised at the time and the club apologised, it was their supporters bar wasn't it ?
The gormless and imbecile find it easy to tag themselves onto most sporting clubs and frankly you'll never get rid of them, what I found heartening about Cas in recent years is that the non gormless and non-imbecile in their following are always at pains to apologise and to try and identify the culprits - which is how it should be in rugby.
To be honest they have nothing to apologise to me for, I am not personally offended by their remarks, just amazed that they think I will be, if calling me Jewish is their idea of a gross insult then you have to wonder at the breadth of their imagination.'"
Yep. It always makes me laugh that these type of "insults" assume that everyone who follows a sports club is from the immediate area of that sports club.
Being from York, which shall we say hasn't always been too welcoming to Jews, the accusation that I'm a Jew is somewhat perplexing.
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| Huddersfield and Castleford have been the worst for anti semitism in my experience
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| The only times I've suffered any sort of racial abuse were both coincidentally from Hull fans. The first was when I was young and walking the ought the South Stand. Some of their fans were in and called me a . I was that young I asked a friend why someone called me a wok. Then the next time was at the Boulevard and after the game a group of men starting shouting all sorts to me and my dad. I was only about 16 at the time. I wrote to their club to complain and the response was pathetic to say the least. All they said was that no one had ever complained about their fans before and they offered me a free ticket to go back. As if I was going to take that up.
Anyway, that was years ago. But let's not be deluded that there isn't still things going on. Such as Leeds fans singing 'I'd rather be a p**i than a Bull'. Thankfully it is in the minority and I hope it stays that way.
I look forward to brining my son to games when he gets older without fear of abuse, or hearing any sort of bigotry.
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| Indeed. We have our own set of nobs at games who go for the aggro and beer rather than the game itself.
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| Quote D4mo78="D4mo78"The only times I've suffered any sort of racial abuse were both coincidentally from Hull fans. The first was when I was young and walking the ought the South Stand. Some of their fans were in and called me a lovely. I was that young I asked a friend why someone called me a wok. Then the next time was at the Boulevard and after the game a group of men starting shouting all sorts to me and my dad. I was only about 16 at the time. I wrote to their club to complain and the response was pathetic to say the least. All they said was that no one had ever complained about their fans before and they offered me a free ticket to go back. As if I was going to take that up.
Anyway, that was years ago. But let's not be deluded that there isn't still things going on. Such as Leeds fans singing 'I'd rather be a p**i than a Bull'. Thankfully it is in the minority and I hope it stays that way.
I look forward to brining my son to games when he gets older without fear of abuse, or hearing any sort of bigotry.'"
Amen.
The Leeds chant you refer to was, at one stage, accompanied by a home made banner.
There haven't actually been many times I've felt embarrassed as a Leeds fan, but that was certainly one of them.
Most of the rest of them were in Perpignan, and stemmed from the general inability of large portions of the British population to go to foreign countries without behaving like complete morons.
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| Sean Long and 'gy-po' always seemed to be a fans favourite.
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| Quote El Diablo="El Diablo"
Most of the rest of them were in Perpignan, and stemmed from the general inability of large portions of the British population to go to foreign countries without behaving like complete morons.'"
Thats definitely an on-going problem.
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| Quote thebloodbath="thebloodbath"Sean Long and 'gy-po' always seemed to be a fans favourite.'"
Flies mostly under the radar that one, as people tend to think of it as, let's say a cultural or socio-economic slur, rather than a racial one. The UK has quite a large Irish traveller population, but most people (erroneously) think of them as Irish people, who are also "gypsies" and as such not a racial issue.
It is a situation which isn't helped (in terms of general ignorance - which I mean in the most genuine way as most people who use the term perjoratively genuinely don't intend it racially) by the cultural preference of the group as a whole (being general, not accounting for individual preference) to live on the fringes of the rest of society. Which is becoming a bit of a vicious circle. As with most things political in this country, state action will be driven by media pressure, and Irish travellers have very few supporters in the press. Hence no real appetite to tackle the problem.
We have not, traditionally, had much of a Roma population. In continental Europe, and most specifically in central and eastern Europe, that's what is meant by the term "gypsies" and it is much more consciously a racial issue. Roma are marginalised to a horrible degree in some places, both by public opinion but also very often by government institutions. It is probably the single biggest race issue in that region.
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| Quote El Diablo="El Diablo"Flies mostly under the radar that one, as people tend to think of it as, let's say a cultural or socio-economic slur, rather than a racial one. The UK has quite a large Irish traveller population, but most people (erroneously) think of them as Irish people, who are also "gypsies" and as such not a racial issue.
It is a situation which isn't helped (in terms of general ignorance - which I mean in the most genuine way as most people who use the term perjoratively genuinely don't intend it racially) by the cultural preference of the group as a whole (being general, not accounting for individual preference) to live on the fringes of the rest of society. Which is becoming a bit of a vicious circle. As with most things political in this country, state action will be driven by media pressure, and Irish travellers have very few supporters in the press. Hence no real appetite to tackle the problem.
We have not, traditionally, had much of a Roma population. In continental Europe, and most specifically in central and eastern Europe, that's what is meant by the term "gypsies" and it is much more consciously a racial issue. Roma are marginalised to a horrible degree in some places, both by public opinion but also very often by government institutions. It is probably the single biggest race issue in that region.'"
It surprises me why the travelling folk of this nation get such a raw deal.
I have had very limited contact with gypsies, in fact only four occasions. Once when they re-tarmaced my grandads drive and charged him over £1500 for less than 1cm of tarmac which came up the first time he drove on it. Again when one reversed into my mates van and gave him false insurance details. The time my mates 3.5 ton tipper wagon got stolen and mysteriously turned up in the canal next to a gypsy site, having had most of the parts stripped off it - apparently on-one saw or heard anything - go figure. And finally when my ex-boss let some gypsies do some 'un-quoted' repair work on a wall and they wanted £2000 for less than two hours work. When he refused they informed him that if he didn't pay they'd torch the building.
As I say, it puzzles me as to why public opinion of our travelling brethren is so low.
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| Quote JerryChicken="JerryChicken"Thats definitely an on-going problem.'"
Is that still going on? These days, we stay in Spain and go to and from the Catalans game on the same day, missing out on the late night drinking in the town.
When we did used to stay over (at the Ibis, natch) I don't remember seeing any real problems in the town, nor too much bad behaviour. The only time I've been really embarassed was the time we went over and the night before our game went to Le Fullback (I think, or the other one) to watch the Friday night game on Sky. A group of our fans were a bloody disgrace, and their antics carried on the plane ride home too.
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| Quote G1="G1"Huddersfield and Castleford have been the worst for anti semitism in my experience'"
The two towns in which I have been anti-Semitically abused myself.
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| The only ground where I've heard anti-semitic comments was Belle Vue - as it was then known - a few years ago.
The worst for racist chanting was the Boulevard, hence I vowed never againto put my money into their pockets.
It was the first year that we had Ellery Hanley in our team there.
I never did return but whenever I've been to the KC I've never heard racist chanting so that has to be an improvement.
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| Quote Fat Boy="Fat Boy"It surprises me why the travelling folk of this nation get such a raw deal.
I have had very limited contact with gypsies, in fact only four occasions. Once when they re-tarmaced my grandads drive and charged him over £1500 for less than 1cm of tarmac which came up the first time he drove on it. Again when one reversed into my mates van and gave him false insurance details. The time my mates 3.5 ton tipper wagon got stolen and mysteriously turned up in the canal next to a gypsy site, having had most of the parts stripped off it - apparently on-one saw or heard anything - go figure. And finally when my ex-boss let some gypsies do some 'un-quoted' repair work on a wall and they wanted £2000 for less than two hours work. When he refused they informed him that if he didn't pay they'd torch the building.
As I say, it puzzles me as to why public opinion of our travelling brethren is so low.'"
Also doesn't help. And a culture that likes to exist slightly outside mainstream society does provide rather more opportunity for this type of behaviour. Which also encourages the stereotype that "that's what they're all like" which is, of course, completely false.
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| Quote Fat Boy="Fat Boy"It surprises me why the travelling folk of this nation get such a raw deal.
I have had very limited contact with gypsies, in fact only four occasions. Once when they re-tarmaced my grandads drive and charged him over £1500 for less than 1cm of tarmac which came up the first time he drove on it. Again when one reversed into my mates van and gave him false insurance details. The time my mates 3.5 ton tipper wagon got stolen and mysteriously turned up in the canal next to a gypsy site, having had most of the parts stripped off it - apparently on-one saw or heard anything - go figure. And finally when my ex-boss let some gypsies do some 'un-quoted' repair work on a wall and they wanted £2000 for less than two hours work. When he refused they informed him that if he didn't pay they'd torch the building.
As I say, it puzzles me as to why public opinion of our travelling brethren is so low.'"
I came home from work one high summer evening and the travelling people/gypsy's were in the street trimming the tree's and I let them do mine.After I paid them and they left I discovered they had been in my shed which was not locked,and pinched garden tools.my next door neighbour who was disabled had things stolen from inside his house,he let them come in and use the toilet.
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| Quote John_D="John_D"The two towns in which I have been anti-Semitically abused myself.'"
I am well in my 60s and retired.When I was a young lad late 50s early 60s I was surprised how sporting the Fartown crowd was,for instance they never jeered and booed when Lewis Jones was taking a goal kick,but Castleford and Fev were always hostile.
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| Quote lionarmour87="lionarmour87"I am well in my 60s and retired.When I was a young lad late 50s early 60s I was surprised how sporting the Fartown crowd was'"
It wasn't at a game
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