You need to calm down. There was a post not three from the bottom of the thread agreeing with my earlier post to suggest everyone has moved on doesn't stack up.

At under 16 level the club has the pick of all the youngsters in west Yorkshire - they should be good at that point. Given the greater element of their development has occurred at amateur club level how much enhancement is the set up at Leeds giving at that stage?

I fully agree with you that the club struggles to progress players through from that stage to elite level. It could be right at the very start. Because we need to field 17 players at U16 we take on too many kids who will never progress and as such hold back the talented ones.

Part of the shake up could be the progression of certain coaches into different roles - a re-set doesn't mean everyone goes. It means a radical overhaul of what is currently in place. Which even Stevie Wonder can see isn't fit for purpose.

I would suggest the issues are at two ends - scouting and senior management. Are getting the right kids i.e. not just talented players but players who see elite RL as a career. Are we working closely enough with the amateur clubs to identify the correct youngsters. Is the development system and its direction appropriate.

One definition of madness is the repeat the same actions and expecting a different outcome. What is it that Wigan do that we don't?

I’ve been getting away with it all my life…

In the 80/90s you had one dominant side in Wigan - the only full time side in northern RL and they could compete with the very best in the NRL. Furner was a bad choice but the team was already in decline. This was compounded by employing Agar who was "last man standing" and eager to have the job. Covid was a challenge for all in the sport as it was for many businesses and coming just after a massive investment in the stadium timing couldn't have been worse.

Most fans just want the team to play at "elite" level where the basic skills are performed to a high standard in an entertaining brand of rugby. The players should have a pride in their professionalism including their fitness - something sadly lacking at Leeds.

How many on here can say they look forward to attending games - how many attend because "that is what we do"

I used to really enjoy watching Murray's teams play - they were tough, skillful and totally committed plus they had real superstars in Harris,Goddin, Morley and Blackmore backed up by a host of talented players - Newton, Sheridan, Cummins etc. All topped of with a coach who understood what it was to be a fan and his joy at being in his role was evident to everyone.

I don't expect the team to win every game I just want to be entertained.

If we don't recruit the best youngsters where are they going?

My decision on Season Ticket will depend on the revue and implementation of the game rules. Which deserves its own post.

What we do, recruit etc wont influence that, but if course i want us to challenge next year.

you tell me you are the one wanting all the kids coaches sacked so you must be across it all plenty of articles and crosrefrencing you can do to join up the dots over the past few years about young players from the area at other clubs keep you busy and stop you moaning about the club all the time