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| Quote ="Once were Loiners"The half back issue has been a longstanding problem - going back decades. I'd say O'Connor and Johnson are pretty good hookers, particularly O'Connor. And before you say he didn't start that way, neither did a few others before him like James Lowes.
In terms of halfbacks we had McGuire, Burrow and Sinfield and then Luke Gale, who in any other era would have been a mainstay of the side but left because there was no space for him at Leeds. Agree entirely that we haven't produced anyone of note since him. To be slightly fair, I suspect there would have been little interest in looking at junior halfbacks seriously while the others were still running round as anyone we developed would have left, like Gale. We definitely dropped the ball in having nobody come through to replace them though, although there was hope that Sutcliffe would be our long term stand off.
I don't know what any of that or lack of British players generally has to do with 5 "NRL" backs looking like a pub team though. If anything they should be tearing other sides apart every week.'"
If we were producing players of the correct quality we wouldn't be needing to engage all these poor Aussie players. Sinfield made his debut in 1996, Burrow and McGuire in 2001. Luke Gale made his SL debut in 2009 - we are now in 2024 so we haven't been able to produce a half back of SL quality in 15 years? Liam Sutcliffe in 2012 so be generous to the club 12 years!!
This is not just Leeds alone - this is SL in general - quality of British players coming through the system is at an all time low during the SL era - a major contributory factor in the reducing standard of the competition.
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| Quote ="leeds owl"I think as Leeds fans we have become conditioned to accepting mediocrity as a step in the right direction. If you analyse the performances under Arthur we are far from a massively improved team. Beating a Wigan team that had played 3 games in a week was a standout, we’ve had a decent half here and there and people are knee jerking over the possibilities. The reality is people seem to quickly forget the poor games and halves under Arthur and even seek to promote an 18 point defeat to Warrington as an improvement even though we never looked like scoring until a second rower who is leaving put in our only decent kick of the game for a try. This team set the bar so low people have become blinded to how inept we still are and will be in the near future with this group of players.'"
Excellent posting, BA has been a welcome signing, improved our defensive pattern tenfold, unfortunately there is a limit to what a coach can achieve with a substandard squad.
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| No-one wants to accept mediocrity. We do, however, have to accept reality, something a lot of Leeds fans are struggling with. Even if it were possible to sack everyone deemed unworthy of the current HKR and Wigan teams, we would be unlikely to replace them all with exactly the right players needed in one season. And like it or not, the chances are that they would need time to gel. There is no pathway to instant success - just look how HKR have built up gradually over the seasons.
What I want to see is sustained improvement, and that hasn't happened, which is a big disappointment for a club like Leeds. The only realistic way forward is a combination of a) investment in the best junior talent coming through, b) replacing players coming off contract with better players from outside or within, c) improving the way the current squad is coached and trained, and d) finding ways to move on contracted players not performing to standard, without damaging the club's reputation as a destination for top players.
It's maybe too early to pick the bones of this season. Looking back, the sweeping changes to the spine and the messaging coming from the club raised the expectations of fans and media to unrealistic levels. We knew that the forwards needed strengthening but I for one was hoping for the likes of Gannon and Holroyd to really come to the fore and establish themselves as real 'bolters', not to mention the likes of Hudson. Whatever team we have next year, I think setting more modest and realistic goals would be sensible, while improving as much as possible.
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| Quote ="Exeter Rhino"No-one wants to accept mediocrity. We do, however, have to accept reality, something a lot of Leeds fans are struggling with. Even if it were possible to sack everyone deemed unworthy of the current HKR and Wigan teams, we would be unlikely to replace them all with exactly the right players needed in one season. And like it or not, the chances are that they would need time to gel. There is no pathway to instant success - just look how HKR have built up gradually over the seasons.
What I want to see is sustained improvement, and that hasn't happened, which is a big disappointment for a club like Leeds. The only realistic way forward is a combination of a) investment in the best junior talent coming through, b) replacing players coming off contract with better players from outside or within, c) improving the way the current squad is coached and trained, and d) finding ways to move on contracted players not performing to standard, without damaging the club's reputation as a destination for top players.
It's maybe too early to pick the bones of this season. Looking back, the sweeping changes to the spine and the messaging coming from the club raised the expectations of fans and media to unrealistic levels. We knew that the forwards needed strengthening but I for one was hoping for the likes of Gannon and Holroyd to really come to the fore and establish themselves as real 'bolters', not to mention the likes of Hudson. Whatever team we have next year, I think setting more modest and realistic goals would be sensible, while improving as much as possible.'"
Excellent post.
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| Quote ="Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino"Excellent post.
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Yeah, that’s the realistic position. Fans getting upset and angry won’t sped things up. We’ve tried that!
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| Quote ="Exeter Rhino"
What I want to see is sustained improvement, and that hasn't happened, which is a big disappointment for a club like Leeds. The only realistic way forward is a combination of a) investment in the best junior talent coming through, b) replacing players coming off contract with better players from outside or within, c) improving the way the current squad is coached and trained, and d) finding ways to move on contracted players not performing to standard, without damaging the club's reputation as a destination for top players.
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c) is the quickest to achieve, b) can be achieved over the next couple of years, quicker [iif[/i d) can be achieved. Unfortunately a) will take much longer to filter through to the first team and will not benefit from BA's influence and is dependent on Blease ensuring that the club as a whole ensures continued investment and development of young players.
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