100% both jim but last year the group didn't even make the playoffs and i'm fully aware of the argument it's not about placings etc but a club the size of leeds with the talent it recruits should be successful at all levels and making playoffs as a minimum, 5 sides were better than our academy last year?where were older eligible players yesterday? not playing because they haven't been developed and the club must see the younger kids as being better? i agree with matt this is the most talented group the club has had for years,if they are not showing signs at end of the year and early next it's clearly the coaching and those in charge of the development at those levels, hide behind age all we want we should not be outplayed by castleford at home at that level?

He really does. Does anyone have any opinions on where he'll end up position wise? It's good to see another exciting back prospect coming through anyway

6 would probably be his best position, but would be quality anywhere in backrow or centre aswel.

With the make-up of this years Academy, i could see him playing a lot of centre. If i was going to pick a team to win a game from this years squad, it would be:

1. Hutchinson
2. Webster
3. Hardy
4. Thomas
5. Marcus QQ
6. Brown
7. Smith
8. Butterfield
9. Butterworth
10. Oladipupo
11. Stead
12. Lloyd
13. Cassell

14. Diskin
15. Stelfox
16. Tinkler
17. Whittingham

Hardy, Lloyd, Butterworth, Stelfox, Tinkler all first years

When you add the likes of the McCormack's, Smith, Simpson and Littlewood to the pool of young players outside of the first team it does look promising. We just need to make sure a few of them come through and hopefully become stars. Any view on the potential of JJB's young lads?

Good to see the reserves beat Saints 48 - 0. ECW got a couple. Frawley played too.

Arthur said yesterday Frawley would play in the reserves and needs to up his game.
Injuries come and he needs to be ready to step in or words to that effect.