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| Quote DHM="DHM"We were awful last year at the start of the season, but that could be reasonably attributed to a diabolical injury situation and you could also add the WCC as an extra burdon. From late April onwards, when we got some players back, our record was pretty much the same as eventual champions Wigan and we managed to knock them out of the cup along with Saints. If we hadn't started the way we did we would heave been top 2, if not top itself. Sure, we got pummeled in the CC, but these things can happen. Everything Warrington did turned to gold that day and we never got into the game. Our exit from the playoffs was hardly unexpected considering we lost our best forward and our player of the year prior to the eliminator.
I think we were close second to Wigan last year when at full strength and had we met them in a GF with McGuire and Peacock it would have been 50/50. We would certainly have beaten Saints for a 4th in a row.
This year, it's true we have had no McGuire. Last year he was rightly our player of the year and was the difference in many games (his display in the away vistory at Warrington was awesome). He isn't fit and may never get back to full sharpness. Peacock was also immense for most of last year and McDermott has had to start without him for much of the season. We also lost Eastwood who (when fit) did add a lot. His replacements, Hauraki and Cross are/were frankly e.
So how has McDermott performed? If (and it's an "if"icon_wink.gif we do match last years league placing we won't have ever come close to last years league "performance". We also have no hope for the playoffs - anyone thinking otherwise can send me details of what they are drinking or smoking, i'd like to know the next time I want to drift out of reality completely. This is one of the worst Leeds seasons I've seen in a long, long time. A soft cup run doesn't hide the fact that we have never looked anything close to quality for more than 10 minutes at a go. They simply look clueless, and while I admit, we played off the cuff for most of last year and got away with it because of the likes of McGuire and Eastwood, the cuff this year is looking not so much like that on the sleeve of a 16th century French nobleman, and more like that worn by someone sleeping rough at the back of the Headrow.
McDermott has failed to energise an ageing squad with some miles still in the tank and he's failed to bring on some of the younger players. A quality coach would have lifted a squad that was obviously needing an injection of desire and hunger. They also need to start enjoying rugby more after the pressure of 3 straight championships and the eventual deflation of last year. McDermott and Lowes have not managed this in any way, shape or form and irrespective of technical aspects of performances the team look miserable. You can't even say that we've been rebuilding or restructuring because if we have we are turning the Taj Mahal into Quarry Hill Flats.'"
Bang on there for me DHM  dont think Mcdermott or Lowes are well thought of by the majority of the players either
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| Quote Fallon="Fallon"Isn't this the job of the coach though? He makes the decisions and he lives or dies by them.'"
And once the players cross the white line, it's up to them to execute what the coach has been telling them.
I'm pretty sure the gameplan hasn't been to throw passes to the touch judges, have zero defensive line speed and kick straight down the throat of the opposition wingers and full back.
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| I think our current position is the fault of all three parties. Many of the players are not playing as well as they have in previous years (some down to poor form, others down to age / fatigue).
The coach is not the strongest, and doesn't seem as switched on as our two previous coaches. His ability is not necessarily his fault though. he's just the guy in the hot seat
but I think that all of the above is in some way trumped by the role Hetherington has played. Players is his responsibility, both signing, and retaining. If players are not good enough then that's down to him signing them, or not signing better players. If a player is out of form there's not a lot he can do about that. But he also has the choice of who to work with the players.
My opinion is that in a salary capped sport you have only a few ways to get an advantage. One of the ways to do that is to get the best coach that you can to do the job. Even if we had wigan's squad we'd likely still be less successful than them because we have a poorer coach. the other main way is that you have a tightnit group of players that want to play well for each other. ironically these two main methods of getting the most out of the salary cap tend to be at odds with each other (player power etc), so we are indeed lucky to have had both concurrently for a long time prior to our recent slump
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"And once the players cross the white line, it's up to them to execute what the coach has been telling them.
I'm pretty sure the gameplan hasn't been to throw passes to the touch judges, have zero defensive line speed and kick straight down the throat of the opposition wingers and full back.'"
So if there passing has been so bad, their tackling non existent etc ... why has their not been a marked improvement over the season. If everyone in the stands can see the glaring holes why are they not battering the tackle bags all week?
Rugby, like most sports is a very simple game at heart yet our squad has gone from hero to zero in less than two years. Its not all Brains fault, Ive said this a zillion times, Bluey had a bad year and the players also need to step up. But the buck always, always, always stops with the coach.
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| Quote Fallon="Fallon"So if there passing has been so bad, their tackling non existent etc ... why has their not been a marked improvement over the season. If everyone in the stands can see the glaring holes why are they not battering the tackle bags all week?'"
These players have spent 20 years at amateur and professional level learning how to pass, catch and tackle.
They know the fundamentals, but for some reason they're not doing them out on the pitch under pressure. Even if you flog them in training, they're not going to miraculously improve at this stage in their careers.
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"These players have spent 20 years at amateur and professional level learning how to pass, catch and tackle.
They know the fundamentals, but for some reason they're not doing them out on the pitch under pressure. Even if you flog them in training, they're not going to miraculously improve at this stage in their careers.'"
Ok, different approach.
If under TS and Bluey (though I accept his last year was shaky) the players were world beaters (quite literally). What has happened?
I could accept that a few have, for whatever reason, not turned up much this season. What I find very difficult to understand is why the vast majority of the 17 have failed to turn up for most games.
To me that does not sound or feel like a problem with individual skills. It feels like a collective problem.
Then you need to look at the common denominator. In this case its the coach.
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