How much Sky TV money do the Tykes get while in the Premiership and how much do they lose through relegation, and how does this compare to the Sky TV money that the Rhinos receive?

Significantly more - the salary cap is 2.5 times the size

I'd agree he hasn't changed tack, why would he? The system that forces clubs to spend on short term, first team issues hasn't changed. Every single season Leeds Carnegie are either desperately fighting tooth & nail to stay in the Premiership or they are not in the Premiership. If you are suggesting that once in the Premiership Carnegie should sacrifice the first team for the academy then I would point out that is a recipe for disaster. Carnegie would get 40 points shoved up them every week, not win a game, lose what little support & sponsorship they have. That is not likely to encourage young Union players to sign up to Carnegie's academy knowing 100% for certain they will be in division 2. Especially when they could sign for Sale or Newcastle. So not only would it not help the academy it would decimate other parts of the club.

They are stuck in the P&R system that we saw sense and got rid of. If there were a franchise system Carnegie could attempt to build. I didn't mention any players but I would suggest that 3 players into the England squad is actually pretty good considering that yes there are plenty of RU teams in Yorkshire, but most of the good young players are from public school teams who often have historical affiliations with other Union clubs and they are filtered out to those instead of to Carnegie.

I'm really not sure how top class coaches are willing to work part time for Leeds Carnegie when they could work full-time for a bigger Union club down south. Also, seriously, Union clubs practice scrummaging an awful lot, from what I've seen at least 3 or 4 sessions per week. Same goes for lineouts.

As for the facilities argument well yes they do have an advantage there but they receive significantly less money. Up until this season they've received less TV money than other clubs, will receive less for each time they are on tv and will receive less because they are on tv less than other clubs. They also don't get the same kind of Heineken cup money and don't benefit from the huge sponsorship/corporate money available to Union clubs down south. A friend of mine works as a physio for Saracens. A table of 10 at their end of year dinner costs £7,000 and there are over 20 tables. I don't know what Carmegies equivalent is but I'd guess it's nowhere near since the Rhinos is nowhere near that! There is huge sponsorship money going into the southern Union clubs, plus of course they get better attendances.

Leeds Carnegie struggle for money (hence the rumour Caddick is considering ditching them after having lost around £8m over the last few years) and are trapped in the same system that league clubs like Cas, Widnes & Leigh suffered from except with added problem that the Union 2nd division is far weaker than League's.

There's a massive lack of understanding and knowledge being displayed about all things Carnegie in this thread, mainly by the usual suspects.

Leeds Carnegie have had something like 30 players through their Academy who have represented England at age group level. A number of those (Tom Biggs, Tom Palmer, Danny Care, Jordan Crane, Callum Clark for example) have gone on to represent England at full or Saxons level.

To accuse them of not producing their own players is blind ignorance of the highest order.

Where they have struggled is in retaining those players, as the best of them have moved on to other clubs who are more likely to be in the top flight year in, year out in order to improve their representative prospects (as seen again this year with the likes of Kearnan Myall and Luther Burrell - two more Academy products with big futures - moving on to pastures new).

Because rugby union continues to have automatic P&R in its league structures, Carnegie haven't had the luxury of just being able to throw a load of young players into the first team when they have been in the top flight and give them time to develop. They've had to go for experience, in much the same way the promoted NFP/Championship clubs coming in to SL used to.

On the "appointment of poor coaches" front - one of the former first team coaches at Carnegie is now in charge of England Saxons. Andy Key was on the coaching staff at Leicester and headed up their highly successful Academy structure. Neil Back had been successful with Leicester's reserve team off the back of a stellar playing career. It's not like these were out of left field appointments with no pedigree to back them up.

What was 31 years and counting?