Before you start.....no, this isn't anything to do with playing for penalties or yellow boots!



My point is - how bad is this bloke in defence??!!!



They put him at full back, I assume, for his attacking prowess, and ability to chime into the line. But on 4 occasions tonight, Leeds players walked over him to score tries.



People seem to reckon he's the messiah - yet he is a complete liability at the back. Whilst the lad grabbed a couple of tries, his powder puff attempts at preventing 4 resulted in Wigan losing the game. Richie Mathers would have been a better bet, and apparantly he wasn't Wigan's taste



People tell us that Tomkins should be ahead of McGuire for England slection, yet the bloke is worse defensively, and has nothing like the pedigree or history that McGuire does



No wonder England are sh*t when we embrace averageness so much!!

Right now if fit i'd have McGuire over Tomkins



McGuire also scored the try of the season with his double chip over the top, forget which side but what a fantastic try.

It take a long time for half backs, particularly stand offs, to learn their trade. That's why Wally Lewis, Lauries Daly, Shaun Edwards, Schofield, Lockyear etc were all far more affective in their mid to late twenties. Consequently, I am not surprised that McGuire has been so good this season and, on the basis of what I have witnessed, far superior to Tomkins.

Having said that, Tomkins is very much younger and I am sure, his time will come.

Comparing Tomkins to Slater at the present moment in time is like comparing an RS4 to a Ferrari. One is truly exceptional and performs like a thing of beauty. The other has lots of things to admire and is a class above most of what surrounds it but, in a straight contest on the track, there really is only one winner.

Sam Tomkins needs to be careful in reference to his arm lock technique he uses often to milk penalties.



Some people won't stand there waiting for the ref to act, they may break his arm in getting him off.

** Weegan mode **

"you reap what you sow, a broken arm is the least he deserves for cheating"

"I hope he broke his neck"

"I hope it's a career ending injury"

Quote ="LEEDSLEADS."** Weegan mode ** "you reap what you sow, a broken arm is the least he deserves for cheating" "I hope he broke his neck" "I hope it's a career ending injury"'" No no, they only feel like that if you give away a penalty in the last 5 seconds of a game. Being a cheat doesn't count at any other time in the 80 minutes.

Quote ="LEEDSLEADS."** Weegan mode ** "you reap what you sow, a broken arm is the least he deserves for cheating" "I hope he broke his neck" "I hope it's a career ending injury"'" No no, they only feel like that if you give away a penalty in the last 5 seconds of a game. Being a cheat doesn't count at any other time in the 80 minutes.