over years things change some for the better others for the worse. the world never mind the council cannot stop progress and changes.

I had much sympathy over the private ownership issue and am still to be convinced by Tony Abbot's plans.



However, the town fans have been a real embarrassment in the way they have approached all this. It is clear it is now a rugby issue with them. There is a danger that, due to their actions, the shay could fall into the hands of unscrupulous landlords or even property developers - as happened to Coventry City, as they oft quote. Will Tony be out of order if he meets some of these people armed with writs?



There should be somebody addressing the fans but in the first place it should be the council.



In small part I suspect they are worried their little club don't hit big enough and will be trampled over. Fair enough.

There's a difference between private ownership to a stranger and private ownership to a man that's invested heavily in a local company and is heavily involved in one of the clubs playing out of the stadium. Some people are able to react differently to changes in circumstances whilst some people (you) are unable to assimilate a different circumstance. Basically you're thick and blinded by the massive elephant in your own personal padded room - That elephant is simply Rugby.

And quite right too, only a moron could pick fault with this statement.

Yes the Council own the Stadium but, it is the joint home of two teams and therefore "ours"

After all many times the Town fans have called us squatters, infering that it is their Stadium.

I just wish the Town supporters could get rid of that great big chip on their shoulders.

That would take some eating John.

well wasn't expected to be abused by fans of my own team

probably didn't make my post as clear as it could have been. was aimed at the Keith Vaz statement on t'football page.

agree with you there mate. gotta keep with the times or become extinct.

I see that a new website has been set up to monitor the Shay sale: www.theshay.org I've had a quick look at it and, from what I can see, it's content is accurate and informative. Fair enough. I'll now sit back and see how quickly it fills up with hatred, mis-information and bile although I have a feeling that whoever set this up (suspect Bubba personally) has done so to distance themselves from the embarrassing rubbish which shaymen.net contains and bring the debate back to an adult level.

I see that a new website has been set up to monitor the Shay sale: www.theshay.org I've had a quick look at it and, from what I can see, it's content is accurate and informative. Fair enough. I'll now sit back and see how quickly it fills up with hatred, mis-information and bile although I have a feeling that whoever set this up (suspect Bubba personally) has done so to distance themselves from the embarrassing rubbish which shaymen.net contains and bring the debate back to an adult level.

Quote Fax Machine="Fax Machine"I see that a new website has been set up to monitor the Shay sale: www.theshay.org I've had a quick look at it and, from what I can see, it's content is accurate and informative. Fair enough. I'll now sit back and see how quickly it fills up with hatred, mis-information and bile although I have a feeling that whoever set this up (suspect Bubba personally) has done so to distance themselves from the embarrassing rubbish which shaymen.net contains and bring the debate back to an adult level.'" I took a look at that myself last night but I think if Bubba wasn`t happy with some of the bile on the Shay site then as a moderater he would ensure the site was better policed ,it seems to me that anything goes on there . Also not sure at all about his involvement with the Towns Trust is he the Chair or even on the Committee ? Last I heard about 3 yrs ago he wasn`t even on the Committee as it seemed to be struggling the Committee was resigning he had already gone they were not having meetings and they had just been fined by the FSA because their financial affairs had not been done correctly.Now he apears to be their spokesperson again with another plan B in tow.

Quote Fax Machine="Fax Machine"I see that a new website has been set up to monitor the Shay sale: www.theshay.org I've had a quick look at it and, from what I can see, it's content is accurate and informative. Fair enough. I'll now sit back and see how quickly it fills up with hatred, mis-information and bile although I have a feeling that whoever set this up (suspect Bubba personally) has done so to distance themselves from the embarrassing rubbish which shaymen.net contains and bring the debate back to an adult level.'" I took a look at that myself last night but I think if Bubba wasn`t happy with some of the bile on the Shay site then as a moderater he would ensure the site was better policed ,it seems to me that anything goes on there . Also not sure at all about his involvement with the Towns Trust is he the Chair or even on the Committee ? Last I heard about 3 yrs ago he wasn`t even on the Committee as it seemed to be struggling the Committee was resigning he had already gone they were not having meetings and they had just been fined by the FSA because their financial affairs had not been done correctly.Now he apears to be their spokesperson again with another plan B in tow.

Ive xxxx out some of his information. Wouldnt want him getting hate mail or anything.







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Surely if a website is set up to inform of developments with regards to The Shay, it should be the current owners that do it - Calderdale Council!



This is clearly a town fan's work, it has the same agenda but less of the bile!



The Council really need to step forward and the town fans need to realise their position in the big scheme of things - tenents with little or no say!



Getting desperate now aren't they

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Ignore them, little people with no ambition.

Take a look at the photo of Alfreton Towns ground in the Courier, the Town Luddites would prefer to play in a Stadium like that?

They are being offered a Stadium fit for purpose, do they want it?

Why is the current 'stadium' not fit for purpose? The only part that is not fit is the pitch.

If you can't be bothered to read through the posts to realise why it isn't fit for purpose - jog on! It's been explained enough times. It's not all about the two teams playing on the pitch!

Youre right Triran, its not about the two teams on the pitch. Just the one. The peanut huggers are just squatters

Nope we'd like to play in a stadium like the one we have now, perhaps even call it the Shay?

SO the Shay is perfect then?

No it isn't , for either team and it needs some investment which will NOT be coming from the council.

I'm afraid it's time to wake up and smell the coffee (from a new coffee shop perhaps), none of want to see the demise of the ground that has brought some many memories but it will only deteriorate if new funding is not found.

Please can we start refering to it by its correct name please......









Have to right click view image.

Just goes to prove the point we have all being trying to make, Town fans are happy with a deterorting stadium, a pitch that can't last the winter, in fact to live in their own little backward world.

Next Sunday the Stadium is going to host 8000 people, how many do you think will go away with favourable impresions of "The New Shay"?

Over to you Bubba.

The following is a quote from the groundsman at the Shay.



[i"I'd like to know how people see the shay as a run down stadium. Its better than a few in super league and probably wouldn't be out of place in footballs division 1 and even some in the championship. The council have improved it a lot in last. 6 months some of the things which aren't obvious to a lot of people. New guttering and drainage on the skircoat stand drainage and sewerage work linking skircoat to the south stand. New roof skircoat turnstiles as well as all the work on the north stand."[/i



Not quite sure what extra you'd like to see? The council have made sure that the ground is not run down. If you took a look at the ground just 15 years ago you'd see the differences from then. We don't need to redevelop the ground ever 15 years do we? It is absolutely fine for both clubs, if anything it is too big. No chance of either side ever filling the 12500 capacity, to make the ground bigger would simply make it a white elephant, akin to Darlington.

One minute I'm Gavin and one minute I'm Geoff. Make your minds up ladies.

Supergeoff is it really you ?This is like Surprise Surprise

see ya next week

.Bring the money you owe me

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yep nobody is denying that the Council have put money into the stadium and good but face facts this has only been done to get the World Cup game on Sunday, I doubt the North Stand and other minor improvements would have been done otherwise, I accept maybe the pitch would have had some money spent on it as it was a needs must.

On the down side I use the away changing rooms for 5 a side and they are deteriorating already with mould on the walls, damaged wall tiles & some roof tiles are mouldy plus a damaged treatment table which looks bad. The South Stand toilets aint clever and the walls in the banqueting and other facilities in the east Stand are all marked which looks poor, if they can't afford a lick of paint then blimey come on. A private concern would not allow this, front of house is important and these are the bits people see.

But the work has been done, so no worries on that front. I can only speak for the South Stand toilets on that front (ohh err) but I don't think they're as bad as you make out, certainly in better condition than most that I've been to not sure what you're expecting?



The only part of the stadium I have a major concern with is the South-East annex, and I would have no problems with Tony moving Reactiv into there.