Quote ="the cal train"anyone know the best place to order decent A3 size prints online?'" www.loxleycolour.com/ if quality is important.

Quote ="the cal train"anyone know the best place to order decent A3 size prints online?'" www.loxleycolour.com/ if quality is important.

What a difference a logo can make ...



National Geographic $78 (I paid about £80 3 or 4 years ago - I know: mug!)



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7DayShop £22.49 (different colour, same bag)



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I watched the 7DayShop video demo; it is EXACTLY the same bag.



Good bag, though.

Quote ="LeedsBornWelshRoots"What a difference a logo can make ... National Geographic $78 (I paid about £80 3 or 4 years ago - I know: mug!) [urlhttp://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/product/photography/photography-gear-and-bags/national-geographic-explorer-shoulder-gear-bags[/url 7DayShop £22.49 (different colour, same bag) [urlhttp://www.7dayshop.com/7dayshop-canvas-photo-messenger-shoulder-bag?backUrl=L3Bob3RvLXZpZGVvLXN1cHBsaWVzL2dhZGdldC1iYWdzLWNhbWVyYS1jYXNlcw==[/url I watched the 7DayShop video demo; it is EXACTLY the same bag. Good bag, ">though.'" Thats a bargain, might invest. I was walking through Liverpool some time back and ventured into a Jessops where they were having a sale on Lowepro bags. I saw one I had been looking at online (listed at £120), but was on offer for £59.99, I began to look at it and the manager said to me 'it's the last one, if you want it I will go to £39.99' Well, a man can never have too many bag's' to paraphrase the wife icon_smile.gif" alt="icon_smile.gif" title="Smile" />

Quote ="LeedsBornWelshRoots"What a difference a logo can make ... National Geographic $78 (I paid about £80 3 or 4 years ago - I know: mug!) [urlhttp://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/product/photography/photography-gear-and-bags/national-geographic-explorer-shoulder-gear-bags[/url 7DayShop £22.49 (different colour, same bag) [urlhttp://www.7dayshop.com/7dayshop-canvas-photo-messenger-shoulder-bag?backUrl=L3Bob3RvLXZpZGVvLXN1cHBsaWVzL2dhZGdldC1iYWdzLWNhbWVyYS1jYXNlcw==[/url I watched the 7DayShop video demo; it is EXACTLY the same bag. Good bag, ">though.'" Thats a bargain, might invest. I was walking through Liverpool some time back and ventured into a Jessops where they were having a sale on Lowepro bags. I saw one I had been looking at online (listed at £120), but was on offer for £59.99, I began to look at it and the manager said to me 'it's the last one, if you want it I will go to £39.99' Well, a man can never have too many bag's' to paraphrase the wife icon_smile.gif" alt="icon_smile.gif" title="Smile" />

Quote ="rover49"Thats a bargain, might ">invest.'" I hope you moved fast; they sold out on the first day. I'm not overly surprised, they were a real bargain at that price.

Quote ="rover49"Thats a bargain, might ">invest.'" I hope you moved fast; they sold out on the first day. I'm not overly surprised, they were a real bargain at that price.

A few from London Zoo last weekend:



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The "new" Flickr has been around for a couple of days, what do people think?

I like it.



Although, TBH, I've never been a big fan of the way that Flickr "dumps" everything into the so-called Photostream, where it remains even after being sorted into a Set and/or Collection.



The new Flickr continues to do this and I would have liked the option to alter this default.

Quote ="LeedsBornWelshRoots"I hope you moved fast; they sold out on the first day. I'm not overly surprised, they were a real bargain at that ">price.'" Missed out, but got a nice canvas rucksack which is ideal for carrying my camera without being as bulky as my Lowepro.

Quote ="LeedsBornWelshRoots"I hope you moved fast; they sold out on the first day. I'm not overly surprised, they were a real bargain at that ">price.'" Missed out, but got a nice canvas rucksack which is ideal for carrying my camera without being as bulky as my Lowepro.

A panoramic shot of Buachaille Etive Mor taken by my daughter Chloë on our recent West Highland Way trek.



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Went to watch my grandson play for Titans under 8's against East Hull last night and he asked me to take photos. When I got there and got my camera out I was approached by an irate woman who lambasted me for daring to take photos of my own grandson, I asked what the problem was and her reply was some excuse about perverts getting to see them.



It's becoming a sad world when important milestones such as a childs sports day or their first RL game are lost for posterity due to peoples perceived notion that everyone is a pervert as a starting point. At least my kids got photos of their sports days, when perverts didn't exist to upset everyone, current generations are not so lucky.



Shame really, he scored a cracking try right in front of us.

Quote ="rover49"Went to watch my grandson play for Titans under 8's against East Hull last night and he asked me to take photos. When I got there and got my camera out I was approached by an irate woman who lambasted me for daring to take photos of my own grandson, I asked what the problem was and her reply was some excuse about perverts getting to see them. It's becoming a sad world when important milestones such as a childs sports day or their first RL game are lost for posterity due to peoples perceived notion that everyone is a pervert as a starting point. At least my kids got photos of their sports days, when perverts didn't exist to upset everyone, current generations are not so lucky. Shame really, he scored a cracking try right in front of ">us.'" Tell the busy body to naff off and mind their own business.

Quote ="rover49"Went to watch my grandson play for Titans under 8's against East Hull last night and he asked me to take photos. When I got there and got my camera out I was approached by an irate woman who lambasted me for daring to take photos of my own grandson, I asked what the problem was and her reply was some excuse about perverts getting to see them. It's becoming a sad world when important milestones such as a childs sports day or their first RL game are lost for posterity due to peoples perceived notion that everyone is a pervert as a starting point. At least my kids got photos of their sports days, when perverts didn't exist to upset everyone, current generations are not so lucky. Shame really, he scored a cracking try right in front of ">us.'" Tell the busy body to naff off and mind their own business.

Quote ="Big Graeme"Tell the busy body to naff off and mind their own ">business.'" Have you seen the size of some of these East Hull husbands !!!!, I might come across as macho on her (or try to), but in reality I have kept my immense good looks so long by practicing my sprint skill and not my fighting ones. icon_smile.gif" alt="icon_smile.gif" title="Smile" />

Quote ="Big Graeme"Tell the busy body to naff off and mind their own ">business.'" Have you seen the size of some of these East Hull husbands !!!!, I might come across as macho on her (or try to), but in reality I have kept my immense good looks so long by practicing my sprint skill and not my fighting ones. icon_smile.gif" alt="icon_smile.gif" title="Smile" />

Quote ="rover49"Have you seen the size of some of these East Hull husbands !!!!, I might come across as macho on her (or try to), but in reality I have kept my immense good looks so long by practicing my sprint skill and not my fighting ones. icon_smile.gif" alt="icon_smile.gif" title="Smile" />'" I was shooting at a local loch when a school party arrived, I was told by one of the teachers that I had to stop taking photos now as there were kids around, she got told where to go and what she can do when she got their. All this rubbish about perverts is just that, rubbish.

Quote ="rover49"Have you seen the size of some of these East Hull husbands !!!!, I might come across as macho on her (or try to), but in reality I have kept my immense good looks so long by practicing my sprint skill and not my fighting ones. icon_smile.gif" alt="icon_smile.gif" title="Smile" />'" I was shooting at a local loch when a school party arrived, I was told by one of the teachers that I had to stop taking photos now as there were kids around, she got told where to go and what she can do when she got their. All this rubbish about perverts is just that, rubbish.

Plus, if you were a perv wanting images of those kids for some bizarre reason, you could get as many as you wanted with nobody ever being any the wiser, every fookin moby has a half decent camera for daytime use, and if you have the proper gear then you could locate well out of sight and take excellent closeups of relatively distant objects, such as even craters on the Moon, and children are not invisible to the same lenses.



But I bet if she rang plod and claimed "there's this bloke I think is taking pictures of my schoolkids" you'd get your collar felt, camera gear confiscated and spend a few hours down your local nick.

Quote ="Big Graeme"I was shooting at a local loch when a school party arrived, I was told by one of the teachers that I had to stop taking photos now as there were kids around, she got told where to go and what she can do when she got their. All this rubbish about perverts is just that, ">rubbish.'" You would be suprised to find how many places ban photography, schools are the worst for it. I went into St Stephens shopping centre in Hull as part of a photography stroll around Hull one day and as I got my camera out a security guard (very politely) informed me that the centres policy on photography prevented me from taking any pictures when there were people inside as you need permission from individuals to photograph them (not sure whether this is policy or law TBH). I understand fully that there has to be protection against misuse of photos where kids are concerned, but in my case I was just taking photos of my grandson playing a game of rugby.

Quote ="Big Graeme"I was shooting at a local loch when a school party arrived, I was told by one of the teachers that I had to stop taking photos now as there were kids around, she got told where to go and what she can do when she got their. All this rubbish about perverts is just that, ">rubbish.'" You would be suprised to find how many places ban photography, schools are the worst for it. I went into St Stephens shopping centre in Hull as part of a photography stroll around Hull one day and as I got my camera out a security guard (very politely) informed me that the centres policy on photography prevented me from taking any pictures when there were people inside as you need permission from individuals to photograph them (not sure whether this is policy or law TBH). I understand fully that there has to be protection against misuse of photos where kids are concerned, but in my case I was just taking photos of my grandson playing a game of rugby.

Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Plus, if you were a perv wanting images of those kids for some bizarre reason, you could get as many as you wanted with nobody ever being any the wiser, every fookin moby has a half decent camera for daytime use, and if you have the proper gear then you could locate well out of sight and take excellent closeups of relatively distant objects, such as even craters on the Moon, and children are not invisible to the same lenses. But I bet if she rang plod and claimed "there's this bloke I think is taking pictures of my schoolkids" you'd get your collar felt, camera gear confiscated and spend a few hours down your local ">nick.'" Your right. My big lens would take a good shot of a pimple on someones nose from a good distance. The irony is that every Thursday in the local paper there is a pull out called 'hot shots' and is mainly kids RL and football.

Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Plus, if you were a perv wanting images of those kids for some bizarre reason, you could get as many as you wanted with nobody ever being any the wiser, every fookin moby has a half decent camera for daytime use, and if you have the proper gear then you could locate well out of sight and take excellent closeups of relatively distant objects, such as even craters on the Moon, and children are not invisible to the same lenses. But I bet if she rang plod and claimed "there's this bloke I think is taking pictures of my schoolkids" you'd get your collar felt, camera gear confiscated and spend a few hours down your local ">nick.'" Your right. My big lens would take a good shot of a pimple on someones nose from a good distance. The irony is that every Thursday in the local paper there is a pull out called 'hot shots' and is mainly kids RL and football.

No need to go as far as your local paper, this very thread has many shots of kids playing RL - do the takers have permission from every kid in the image? Are we all pervs for looking at them?



I think these school policies of barring video and photo activity at school plays, sports days etc are about as stupid and pointless a thing as you could think of. It is based on people who are barely conscious having ridiculous notions put in their heads by the terminally thick. What on earth is the evil that they presumably "think" they are guarding against?



ironically most school premises are extensively covered by CCTV. By the same token, shouldn't security cameras be switched off?



The default policy should be that if you are so numb of skull that you object to your child being potentially imaged in normal situations - then bar your child from that activity.

I take photographs every week of my grandson playing football in an FA Under 11s league.



At first I was a tad reluctant because of the very issues that are highlighted in this thread. However, many parents of the other kids had seen some samples of my stuff and encouraged me to go ahead. The team manager approached the local FA and was told that as far as they were concerned photography was to be encouraged as much as possible. The same FA have since used my photos on their website and as their Facebook profile picture.



My pictures are posted on Facebook and/or Flickr. They are not protected in any way and copyright is specifically waived for any non-commercial use for anyone connected with the clubs involved.



As a courtesy, I always approach the opposition coaches and ask their permission. It is possible that some children cannot have their photographs taken for their own safety (those with certain custody issues for example). I have never been refused permission by any of the coaches and they are happy to receive and share links to the pictures. I always try to give all the players whether opposition or my own club a fair share of attention.



The problems are real for would-be photographers who are the victims of intolerance and intimidation but the tide is turning.

As I understand the law on this matter, no-one has a right to privacy when in a public place.



The case you cite, however, involves private properly and is not therefore a public place. The owners are entitled to impose terms and conditions and unfortunately the restriction of photography in ubiquitous. However, because just about every mobile phone incorporates a camera (our lass is getting a Samsung Galaxy S4 which has a 13 megabyte camera - 13 fekkin' megabytes! - my previous DSLR only had 12) photography restrictions will become increasing difficult to enforce.

Bought myself a Canon 1100d, here are a few of my daughter on my first trip out with it (Given the past few posts, no pervs please!)



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Quote ="LeedsBornWelshRoots"As I understand the law on this matter, no-one has a right to privacy when in a public place. The case you cite, however, involves private properly and is not therefore a public place. The owners are entitled to impose terms and conditions and unfortunately the restriction of photography in ubiquitous. However, because just about every mobile phone incorporates a camera (our lass is getting a Samsung Galaxy S4 which has a 13 megabyte camera - 13 fekkin' megabytes! - my previous DSLR only had 12) photography restrictions will become increasing difficult to ">enforce.'" A 12mp DSLR will be a far superior camera than a 13mp phone due to sensor size.

Quote ="LeedsBornWelshRoots"As I understand the law on this matter, no-one has a right to privacy when in a public place. The case you cite, however, involves private properly and is not therefore a public place. The owners are entitled to impose terms and conditions and unfortunately the restriction of photography in ubiquitous. However, because just about every mobile phone incorporates a camera (our lass is getting a Samsung Galaxy S4 which has a 13 megabyte camera - 13 fekkin' megabytes! - my previous DSLR only had 12) photography restrictions will become increasing difficult to ">enforce.'" A 12mp DSLR will be a far superior camera than a 13mp phone due to sensor size.

Quote ="rover49"A 12mp DSLR will be a far superior camera than a 13mp phone due to sensor ">size.'" True. I haven't used it yet but the Samsung blurb boasts that the camera phone is free from shutter-lag. That is something I will (literally) have to see to believe. Incidentally I see my earlier posts referred to "megabytes" when of course I meant megapixels. I'm currently using a full-frame DSLR - a Nikon D600 - which has 24 megapixels and it's like a brand new photographic experience. It's not so much the number of pixels but the low-light capability which is truly awesome. I used to baulk at going over ISO800 with earlier cameras but now ISO1600 is practically noise-free and at ISO3200 there is noise present but it's perfectly acceptable. I'd rather have a (slightly) noisy shot than no shot at all.

Quote ="rover49"A 12mp DSLR will be a far superior camera than a 13mp phone due to sensor ">size.'" True. I haven't used it yet but the Samsung blurb boasts that the camera phone is free from shutter-lag. That is something I will (literally) have to see to believe. Incidentally I see my earlier posts referred to "megabytes" when of course I meant megapixels. I'm currently using a full-frame DSLR - a Nikon D600 - which has 24 megapixels and it's like a brand new photographic experience. It's not so much the number of pixels but the low-light capability which is truly awesome. I used to baulk at going over ISO800 with earlier cameras but now ISO1600 is practically noise-free and at ISO3200 there is noise present but it's perfectly acceptable. I'd rather have a (slightly) noisy shot than no shot at all.

Quote ="rover49"A 12mp DSLR will be a far superior camera than a 13mp phone due to sensor ">size.'" Plus the lens on a phone will be nowhere near as good. Quote ="LeedsBornWelshRoots" ... I'm currently using a full-frame DSLR - a Nikon D600 ...'" Lovely. Bloody lovely.

Quote ="rover49"A 12mp DSLR will be a far superior camera than a 13mp phone due to sensor ">size.'" Plus the lens on a phone will be nowhere near as good. Quote ="LeedsBornWelshRoots" ... I'm currently using a full-frame DSLR - a Nikon D600 ...'" Lovely. Bloody lovely.

Quote ="LeedsBornWelshRoots"True. I haven't used it yet but the Samsung blurb boasts that the camera phone is free from shutter-lag. That is something I will (literally) have to see to believe. Incidentally I see my earlier posts referred to "megabytes" when of course I meant megapixels. I'm currently using a full-frame DSLR - a Nikon D600 - which has 24 megapixels and it's like a brand new photographic experience. It's not so much the number of pixels but the low-light capability which is truly awesome. I used to baulk at going over ISO800 with earlier cameras but now ISO1600 is practically noise-free and at ISO3200 there is noise present but it's perfectly acceptable. I'd rather have a (slightly) noisy shot than no shot at ">all.'" As a Pentax user I would have to change makers to get a full frame camera, Pentax do some excellent models but you either have the SLR range with standard sensor or jump to the 645D with its monster 44x33mm 40 mp sensor (at £6k ). I have tried other makes over the years, but have always drifted back to Pentax.

Quote ="LeedsBornWelshRoots"True. I haven't used it yet but the Samsung blurb boasts that the camera phone is free from shutter-lag. That is something I will (literally) have to see to believe. Incidentally I see my earlier posts referred to "megabytes" when of course I meant megapixels. I'm currently using a full-frame DSLR - a Nikon D600 - which has 24 megapixels and it's like a brand new photographic experience. It's not so much the number of pixels but the low-light capability which is truly awesome. I used to baulk at going over ISO800 with earlier cameras but now ISO1600 is practically noise-free and at ISO3200 there is noise present but it's perfectly acceptable. I'd rather have a (slightly) noisy shot than no shot at ">all.'" As a Pentax user I would have to change makers to get a full frame camera, Pentax do some excellent models but you either have the SLR range with standard sensor or jump to the 645D with its monster 44x33mm 40 mp sensor (at £6k ). I have tried other makes over the years, but have always drifted back to Pentax.

Quote ="rover49"A 12mp DSLR will be a far superior camera than a 13mp phone due to sensor ">size.'" Never mind lens quality.

Quote ="rover49"A 12mp DSLR will be a far superior camera than a 13mp phone due to sensor ">size.'" Never mind lens quality.