Not at all Corbyn looks more like a Blair with everyday - stage managed, vacuous, insincere and in denial.



On Newsnight the Labour shadow minister suggested Labour were going to press forward with their manifesto!! until Evan pointed out they lost the election - Labour are in complete denial they got beat by 1m votes and 60 seats not a small defeat.

That's the daftest thing you've said in a while; the qualities that have won Corbyn so much support are that he's the opposite of stage managed, vacuous or in denial - he's natural, easy with real people, and he actually believes what he's saying - the latter being so rare in politics, that it's engaged many people who were previously disenfranchised.



Meanwhile, Boris does an interview on R4 and is harshly reminded by Eddie Maer that running the country is not a Bullingdon Club wheeze; if he's the best they've got to offer as an alternative, there is little wonder that the PM is being held against her will in no 10.



Labour may not be technically able to deliver their manifesto - but the election result has already forced the Tories to drop a lot of the egregious policies that their expected landslide would have allowed them to enact; and Labour will continue to frustrate them in parliament, particularly if Theresa keeps pi$$ing off the DUP.

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The DUP won't like those

Corbyn held all his rallies in very safe Labour seats - are you saying that wasn't stage managed? He went to Grenfell hugged a few people and then left what practical help did or his colleagues offer? Public "shows" of sorrow are just that unless they are backed up by action? He engaged young people by offering them a huge carrot - it was the carrot and not him that got them out to vote.



Agree on Boris I thought he was smarter than that - you cannot defend the indefensible the fact May put him in that position through her own stupidity suggest she is trying quash all opposition to her leadership.



The result showed one thing if you promise everything to everybody it will have a positive impact. What it did also show id the old adage "you can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time" Their manifesto couldn't be delivered and that became more evident the more stuff they promised.



Labour will lose face if they deliberately tamper with the natural order of Parliament like a bunch of school kids.



Don't forget if Labour were in power they would be reliant on the support of Queen Nicola which would be equally as bad if not worse - I surprised she didn't stand in for the Queen yesterday

Neither will Tim Farron

That first part of your quote highlights better than most how echo chambers work - and that probably includes me; personally, I fail to see how that size of rally in that many places could be stage managed - safe seat or not, everyone is not a Labour voter, so there would have been some dissenting voices. Contrasted with Mrs May's empty factories and remote village halls filled with party activists, councillors, or employees who were ordered to be there, he was a rock star; and at one point, he was an *actual* rock star - a stadium of 20k kids chanting his name for goodness sake!



You must remember that your conviction that the Labour manifesto was undeliverable is an opinion; there were plenty of independent analysts who said it was - and it least it was costed, so you had some actual numbers to rail against. The Tories couldn't even be d to include some basic sums - although with hindsight, that would have been wasted effort, since all their big ticket promises have been ditched anyway.



The quote above is a corker - that's called parliamentary democracy old chum; surely you wouldn't expect the opposition to roll over and vote with the government on things they've campaigned against for fear of being labelled immature? Especially not with JC in charge - he's nothing if not rebellious. I look forward to the utterly impotent Tories fail to get anything through parliament without first giving backhanders on a confidence and supply basis to the DUP - that'll go well.

The Tory MP in Shipley used parliamentary democracy to stifle a bill on equal rights i.e. he spoke for hours - that was exposed as a poor use of parliamentary democracy - what happened to him? Let's just say he will not be doing it again for a while. The public are not stupid - if the MPs could they would reverse the Brexit but they know the voting public would not stand for it. Messing around at our expense for the fun of it will do Labour no go going forwards. By all means vote against the bills but don't deliberately disrupt the process "old chum"

Yes, Philip Davies, the anti-feminist Tory MP for Shipley, tried to filibust a bill designed to protect women from domestic violence; whilst being a member of the equalities committee - that's a disgusting abuse of parliamentary process, and thank you for pointing it out.



I fail to see how that is in any way connected to the official opposition voting down bills that they oppose however; that's what they are there for.

Because if Labour try to abuse the parliamentary process - just for the sake of it - as did Mr Davies then their fate could quite easily be similar to that of Mr Davies.



I appreciate Corbyn and McDonald are having a real issue accepting the result of the GE - how they have the audacity to suggest they have more legitimacy to run the country than the Tories when 1m people less voted for them shows the arrogance of the top end of the Labour and how out of touch with reality they are.



The question of Corbyn accepting the result was even asked on QT last night

I'm sure that you realise that Corbyn & Co are just ramping up the pressure on Mrs May and the Tories.

As it stands, with the make up of parliament following the GE, Labour are in a worse position than the Tories (it's just basic arithmetic) but, by stating they are "ready to govern", it just increases pressure on the fragile Tory leadership.

If it wasnt for the Brexit sideshow, it would be really interesting to see how all this pans out and just how long the Tories put up with Mrs May.

However, with the Brexit negotiations having now begun and the outcome being so critical to all of our futures, Britain appears somewhat vulnerable and we ware certainly in a weaker negotiating position than we were a few months ago.

Ah I see - you're basing your empty threats on assumptions and guesses; and using a much derided Tory MP as an example of the fate that could befall anyone who dares defy the Tories?



Even for you, a poster not shy of making some fairly outrageous claims, this is a leap of logic.



Don't believe everything you see on QT; Peter Oborne claimed on the same programme that the Daily Mail was a paragon of truth and journalistic integrity...

A bit like all your posts based on assumptions and guesses - kettle and pot come to mind





I am capable of making my own mind up - but for a question to be asked on QT suggests it is a real issue. McDonald asking for 1m people to flood the streets of London demanding a Labour government as they really won the election - its delusional!!

Is that a fact or an assumption on your part?



I actually think Corbyn and McDonald think they actually won - its bonkers - devoid of any reality a bit like their manifesto





I don't think it increases any pressure on the Government it just makes Labour look silly as everyone knows they are not ready to govern or they would have won the election - pretty simple really.



As I said "you can fool some of the people" the only people Labour are fooling is themselves

Yep. just ramping up the pressure.

If they had won, it would have been Jeremy off to see the queen, which would have been interesting.

The Tories "won" by virtue of having most seats in parliament but, it seems like a hollow victory compared to Teresa's dream of a 100+ seat majority.

She may have won but, I dont think that too many bottles of champers were consumed at Tory HQ on election night.

There was a lot of knife sharpening going on in the back through, perhaps that was just the caterers getting supper ready

Know what I voted Tory. Couldn't see Corbyn as a strong enough leader. The tories made an almighty hash of its election campaign but still won. I'm seriously thinking of voting labour next time to see if he can walk I the walk as good as he is talking the talk.

It's always easier to promise when your not in power as it is to deliver when you are.

The Tories won by virtue of 1m more votes and a larger share of the vote than Blair ever managed. They conducted the worst campaign ever and still labour couldn't get across the line.



Mrs May will be gone by the Autumn - I think Liam Fox will be the next PM. Tim Farron wont like that!!

Your seem obsessed with what Tim Farron will or won't like; you are aware he resigned, yes?

JC on glasto stage tonight. Unconfirmed reports he will reprise snoop dogs raps on California Girls with Katy Perry complete with shades and a large nhs approved spliff.

What you say is of course true but, what is the actual cost of May's disastrous leadership and worse GE campaign.

She has turned the Tories from a strong political party, with a sizeable lead in the polls into a party running scared, siding with the political wing of a terrorist sympathising party and utterly incapable of negotiating with the EU27.

Even her opening gambit, on immigration and the rights of UK citizens abroad and EU citizens in the UK, which should have been solid and unambiguous, has been pulled apart by her counterparts in the EU.

She needs to go quickly and give us a chance of regaining some credibility.

There is an intrigue there I guess with that, similar to slowing down on the motorway to get a good look at a car crash. His ego in charge of running the country, good god.

Not quite - but he did pull pints for the punters afterwards.



Interestingly, the MSM have used this as their latest attempt to smear him; he should have been at the Armed Forces event instead, they were bribed by the promise of uni fees being abolished, bet he wouldn't get the same reception at Ascot (?!) etc etc blah blah.



Perhaps the winner of the ridiculously desperate right wing response to this, was from washed up has-been Edwina Currie, who objected that he was preaching about fairness and a more equal society, to a crowd who had the audacity to spend £240 for a Glastonbury ticket; clearly, the unwashed need to spend more time wallowing in poverty - and can't have political legitimacy if they're able to save up for a big event?



Whichever side of the political divide you come from, this man deserves credit for energising young people and getting them interested in politics; might be a bit scary for Tories to think that young people will take part in our democracy - but it's absolutely and unequivocally a good thing if the people who will inherit the future, take a bit of control of it back from old people.

Yes, bribing them with unaffordable and uncosted scrapping of fees, what a masterstroke.

Point proved - and as long as the establishment keep ignoring or patronising young people like that, support for Corbyn will continue to grow; I'm all for it.



By the way - the average age of Glastonbury attendees is 36.

If it was uncosted how do you know it was unaffordable?



Meanwhile the delightful Andrea Leadsom has stated news reporters should be more patriotic. A step towards fascism.