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| Quote Mintball="Mintball"
However, the capital of France is the centre for all these things. And so it goes on. It was vbfg, some years ago, who pointed out that there are (IIRC) two kinds of country/capital. One where, like the UK and France, politics, culture, economics etc are all based in one capital. The other variety, as you suggest, is where things are spread out more. There are, incidentally, reasons of recent history as to why these splits have occurred in Germany. It's possibly similar elsewhere.'"
In Australia creating Canberra as the capital was a deliberate attempt to avoid the London and Paris situations where one region of the country dominates. They didn't want any one of the "real" states to dominate because it would become the administrative as well as (say) financial capital due to the prominence that would give to one of the major cities such as Sydney or Melbourne.
Does it work? Well quite a few people think Sydney is the capital anyway but I think generally it does. It's not perfect, we didn't have the Canberra Olympics did we  but I think it is better than in the UK where London and the SE seem to work like a sponge for wealth and distort the countries economy. | | |
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"...You can't simply have a London that is just for the rich unless you want to start paying cleaners, refuse collection workers and so on £50K plus salaries so something has got to change and shipping people out which may end up costing them their job as pointed out in another post is not the answer. There is only one way to fix it and that is reduce rents.'"
Spot on.
The low-paid jobs keep the Capital (and the capital) running, ship them out and London stops. | | | |
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| Quote That is not what you first raised.
You claimed that events were not held outside of London and the south east. This was factually incorrect.
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No you substituted EVENTS for what i actually wrote which was =#FF0000:15p0ytbjOr shared the Olympic venues more equitably around the country rather than London and the SE:15p0ytbj by venues i meant physical buildings etc infrastructure
[quote:15p0ytbjErr, football? Plus the sailing was in Weymouth & Portland, which is in Dorset. Dorset is not in the south east.'"
I was aware of of where Dorset is. Other than them =#FF0000:15p0ytbjborrowing the sea :15p0ytbjwhich i believe did not require any specific costs i am doubtful whether there was any significant development which will have any significant long term infrastructural change on the area. I have not specifically researched this so am open to changing my mind.
[quote:15p0ytbjAnd let us remind ourselves that these, in keeping with the tradition of the Games, were the London Games.'":15p0ytbj
Funny how now they were the London games now they are over. I am sure that the Government and the BOA kept telling us they wre the british games being held in London and were to benefit the nation as a whole. I knew they were the London games as did others hence why many people were hostile to what was happening ( although most people have now ignored that because they were such a success and would open critics to being anti nationalistic).
[quote:15p0ytbjHowever, the capital of France is the centre for all these things. And so it goes on. It was vbfg, some years ago, who pointed out that there are (IIRC) two kinds of country/capital. One where, like the UK and France, politics, culture, economics etc are all based in one capital. The other variety, as you suggest, is where things are spread out more. T=#FF0000:15p0ytbjhere are, incidentally, reasons of recent history as to why these splits have occurred in Germany.:15p0ytbj It's possibly similar elsewhere'":15p0ytbj.'"
I understand the issue caused by partition BUT even in the old West Germany they recognised the need to make Frankfurt the financial centre rather than Bonn.
Ultimately the issue is that there needs to be a sea change in British policy etc to see more significant development outside of London and this can take many forms culture, art, finance, infrastructure, sport etc.:15p0ytbjMintball"That is not what you first raised.
You claimed that events were not held outside of London and the south east. This was factually incorrect.
'":15p0ytbj
No you substituted EVENTS for what i actually wrote which was =#FF0000:15p0ytbjOr shared the Olympic venues more equitably around the country rather than London and the SE:15p0ytbj by venues i meant physical buildings etc infrastructure
Quote That is not what you first raised.
You claimed that events were not held outside of London and the south east. This was factually incorrect.
'" :15p0ytbj
No you substituted EVENTS for what i actually wrote which was =#FF0000:15p0ytbjOr shared the Olympic venues more equitably around the country rather than London and the SE:15p0ytbj by venues i meant physical buildings etc infrastructure
[quote:15p0ytbjErr, football? Plus the sailing was in Weymouth & Portland, which is in Dorset. Dorset is not in the south east.'":15p0ytbj
I was aware of of where Dorset is. Other than them =#FF0000:15p0ytbjborrowing the sea :15p0ytbjwhich i believe did not require any specific costs i am doubtful whether there was any significant development which will have any significant long term infrastructural change on the area. I have not specifically researched this so am open to changing my mind.
[quote:15p0ytbjAnd let us remind ourselves that these, in keeping with the tradition of the Games, were the London Games.'":15p0ytbj
Funny how now they were the London games now they are over. I am sure that the Government and the BOA kept telling us they wre the british games being held in London and were to benefit the nation as a whole. I knew they were the London games as did others hence why many people were hostile to what was happening ( although most people have now ignored that because they were such a success and would open critics to being anti nationalistic).
[quote:15p0ytbjHowever, the capital of France is the centre for all these things. And so it goes on. It was vbfg, some years ago, who pointed out that there are (IIRC) two kinds of country/capital. One where, like the UK and France, politics, culture, economics etc are all based in one capital. The other variety, as you suggest, is where things are spread out more. T=#FF0000:15p0ytbjhere are, incidentally, reasons of recent history as to why these splits have occurred in Germany.:15p0ytbj It's possibly similar elsewhere'":15p0ytbj.'"
I understand the issue caused by partition BUT even in the old West Germany they recognised the need to make Frankfurt the financial centre rather than Bonn.
Ultimately the issue is that there needs to be a sea change in British policy etc to see more significant development outside of London and this can take many forms culture, art, finance, infrastructure, sport etc.:15p0ytbjErr, football? Plus the sailing was in Weymouth & Portland, which is in Dorset. Dorset is not in the south east.'":15p0ytbj
I was aware of of where Dorset is. Other than them =#FF0000:15p0ytbjborrowing the sea :15p0ytbjwhich i believe did not require any specific costs i am doubtful whether there was any significant development which will have any significant long term infrastructural change on the area. I have not specifically researched this so am open to changing my mind.
Quote That is not what you first raised.
You claimed that events were not held outside of London and the south east. This was factually incorrect.
'" :15p0ytbj
No you substituted EVENTS for what i actually wrote which was =#FF0000:15p0ytbjOr shared the Olympic venues more equitably around the country rather than London and the SE:15p0ytbj by venues i meant physical buildings etc infrastructure
[quote:15p0ytbjErr, football? Plus the sailing was in Weymouth & Portland, which is in Dorset. Dorset is not in the south east.'":15p0ytbj
I was aware of of where Dorset is. Other than them =#FF0000:15p0ytbjborrowing the sea :15p0ytbjwhich i believe did not require any specific costs i am doubtful whether there was any significant development which will have any significant long term infrastructural change on the area. I have not specifically researched this so am open to changing my mind.
[quote:15p0ytbjAnd let us remind ourselves that these, in keeping with the tradition of the Games, were the London Games.'":15p0ytbj
Funny how now they were the London games now they are over. I am sure that the Government and the BOA kept telling us they wre the british games being held in London and were to benefit the nation as a whole. I knew they were the London games as did others hence why many people were hostile to what was happening ( although most people have now ignored that because they were such a success and would open critics to being anti nationalistic).
[quote:15p0ytbjHowever, the capital of France is the centre for all these things. And so it goes on. It was vbfg, some years ago, who pointed out that there are (IIRC) two kinds of country/capital. One where, like the UK and France, politics, culture, economics etc are all based in one capital. The other variety, as you suggest, is where things are spread out more. T=#FF0000:15p0ytbjhere are, incidentally, reasons of recent history as to why these splits have occurred in Germany.:15p0ytbj It's possibly similar elsewhere'":15p0ytbj.'"
I understand the issue caused by partition BUT even in the old West Germany they recognised the need to make Frankfurt the financial centre rather than Bonn.
Ultimately the issue is that there needs to be a sea change in British policy etc to see more significant development outside of London and this can take many forms culture, art, finance, infrastructure, sport etc.:15p0ytbjAnd let us remind ourselves that these, in keeping with the tradition of the Games, were the London Games.'":15p0ytbj
Funny how now they were the London games now they are over. I am sure that the Government and the BOA kept telling us they wre the british games being held in London and were to benefit the nation as a whole. I knew they were the London games as did others hence why many people were hostile to what was happening ( although most people have now ignored that because they were such a success and would open critics to being anti nationalistic).
Quote That is not what you first raised.
You claimed that events were not held outside of London and the south east. This was factually incorrect.
'" :15p0ytbj
No you substituted EVENTS for what i actually wrote which was =#FF0000:15p0ytbjOr shared the Olympic venues more equitably around the country rather than London and the SE:15p0ytbj by venues i meant physical buildings etc infrastructure
[quote:15p0ytbjErr, football? Plus the sailing was in Weymouth & Portland, which is in Dorset. Dorset is not in the south east.'":15p0ytbj
I was aware of of where Dorset is. Other than them =#FF0000:15p0ytbjborrowing the sea :15p0ytbjwhich i believe did not require any specific costs i am doubtful whether there was any significant development which will have any significant long term infrastructural change on the area. I have not specifically researched this so am open to changing my mind.
[quote:15p0ytbjAnd let us remind ourselves that these, in keeping with the tradition of the Games, were the London Games.'":15p0ytbj
Funny how now they were the London games now they are over. I am sure that the Government and the BOA kept telling us they wre the british games being held in London and were to benefit the nation as a whole. I knew they were the London games as did others hence why many people were hostile to what was happening ( although most people have now ignored that because they were such a success and would open critics to being anti nationalistic).
[quote:15p0ytbjHowever, the capital of France is the centre for all these things. And so it goes on. It was vbfg, some years ago, who pointed out that there are (IIRC) two kinds of country/capital. One where, like the UK and France, politics, culture, economics etc are all based in one capital. The other variety, as you suggest, is where things are spread out more. T=#FF0000:15p0ytbjhere are, incidentally, reasons of recent history as to why these splits have occurred in Germany.:15p0ytbj It's possibly similar elsewhere'":15p0ytbj.'"
I understand the issue caused by partition BUT even in the old West Germany they recognised the need to make Frankfurt the financial centre rather than Bonn.
Ultimately the issue is that there needs to be a sea change in British policy etc to see more significant development outside of London and this can take many forms culture, art, finance, infrastructure, sport etc.:15p0ytbjHowever, the capital of France is the centre for all these things. And so it goes on. It was vbfg, some years ago, who pointed out that there are (IIRC) two kinds of country/capital. One where, like the UK and France, politics, culture, economics etc are all based in one capital. The other variety, as you suggest, is where things are spread out more. T=#FF0000:15p0ytbjhere are, incidentally, reasons of recent history as to why these splits have occurred in Germany.:15p0ytbj It's possibly similar elsewhere'"
I understand the issue caused by partition BUT even in the old West Germany they recognised the need to make Frankfurt the financial centre rather than Bonn.
Ultimately the issue is that there needs to be a sea change in British policy etc to see more significant development outside of London and this can take many forms culture, art, finance, infrastructure, sport etc.
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| Quote Durham Giant="Durham Giant"... Funny how now they were the London games now they are over. I am sure that the Government and the BOA kept telling us they wre the british games being held in London and were to benefit the nation as a whole. I knew they were the London games as did others hence why many people were hostile to what was happening ( although most people have now ignored that because they were such a success and would open critics to being anti nationalistic).'"
They were always the London Games. The bid was 'the London bid' etc.
And the entire country could benefit in all sorts of ways. Whether it did is entirely another question, but it doesn't simply mean infrastructure.
Quote Durham Giant="Durham Giant"Ultimately the issue is that there needs to be a sea change in British policy etc to see more significant development outside of London and this can take many forms culture, art, finance, infrastructure, sport etc.'"
That's your opinion – and one you've voiced a number of times.
It's a pity, though,. that you don't recognise top arts companies that are based outside the capital. There are quite a few. | | |
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| Quote Mintball="Mintball"They were always the London Games. The bid was 'the London bid' etc.
And the entire country could benefit in all sorts of ways. Whether it did is entirely another question, but it doesn't simply mean infrastructure.
That's your opinion – and one you've voiced a number of times.
=#FF0000It's a pity, though,. that you don't recognise top arts companies that are based outside the capital. There are quite a few.'"
I recognise that , but there is an issue around Arts funding relying much more on national funding and charities which is still skewed towards London.
Due to LA cuts (which there is very clear evidence to show is unfairly weighted against the midlands and the North) there is huge pressure on the support that LAs can now contribute to arts funding with the net result the flow of talent and resources will be heading back to London. It is clear that various changes ie in education mean that many soutrhern LAs in the shires are now being treated much more favourably than in the North.
But being based in London i am guessing that whilst you know all the above is true you probably wont be campaigning on the streets for a fairer deal for the North !!! | | | |
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| Quote Durham Giant="Durham Giant"I recognise that , but there is an issue around Arts funding relying much more on national funding and charities which is still skewed towards London.
Due to LA cuts (which there is very clear evidence to show is unfairly weighted against the midlands and the North) ...'"
Apart from, for instance, where London councils are considering having to move people to places beyond the city ... | | |
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| Quote Mintball="Mintball"Apart from, for instance, where London councils are considering having to move people to places beyond the city ...'"
That is different to the LA funding criteria that was very much based on the coalition plan to cap spending and is a national decison being implemented locally albeit one that the council does not want to pursue. That is one decision the coalition took which quite clearly would have a very detrimental effect on poor people in London due to the high cost of rents and low housing stock.
To a large extent it is social cleansing in London. Make it impossible for the poor, the low paid or public service workers to live there. | | |
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To a large extent it is social cleansing in London. Make it impossible for the poor, the low paid or public service workers to live there.'"
There are millions of Rumanians and Bulgarians coming in January, who will be more thanh happy to sleep 20 to a tower block flat and work in those jobs. The government and London aren't stupid. They need to make way for the influx of new people without overburdening public services in the capital and at the same time keep London's economy powering forward with cheap, flexible, willing workers. As others have consistently argued, immigration brings enormous benefits to the UK and London in particular benefits from the throughput. Problem is that throughput develop bottlenecks and that's why the shipping out policy is needed. | | | |
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The Times carried a piece today which said the housing stock in the 10 most expensive London boroughs is worth more than the entire housing stock of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Not quite sure how that fits into the thread, but just thought it might be of interest.
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"Labour will win with a landslide victory and the continue to make the calamitous mistakes they made to get us in this mess in the first place?'" Labour made the mistake of causing a worldwide credit implosion.
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| Quote Dally="Dally"[uThere are millions of Rumanians and Bulgarians coming in January,[/u who will be more thanh happy to sleep 20 to a tower block flat and work in those jobs. The government and London aren't stupid. They need to make way for the influx of new people without overburdening public services in the capital and at the same time keep London's economy powering forward with cheap, flexible, willing workers. As others have consistently argued, immigration brings enormous benefits to the UK and London in particular benefits from the throughput. Problem is that throughput develop bottlenecks and that's why the shipping out policy is needed.'"
You've been reading the Daily Mail again, haven't you?   | | | |
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[url=http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10239273.Nightstop_Teesside_to_shut_in_cash_crisis/What Camoron's Big Society really means[/url
Big Society my a[ir[/ise
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Big Society my a[ir[/ise'"
[iLabour MP Tom Blenkinsop, who represents Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland, said: “David Cameron’s Big Society was relying on [uvolunteers[/u and charity groups providing services[/i
Which is admirable. Until they're all taken away and forced to work at Poundland! | | | |
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but I think it is better than in the UK where London and the SE seem to work like a sponge for wealth and distort the countries economy.
