It's pleasing to see the top earners are doing mighty fine following our impending exit. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 22166.html I wonder how it's going for the under-class who facilitated this brave new world.

It's pleasing to see the top earners are doing mighty fine following our impending exit. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 22166.html I wonder how it's going for the under-class who facilitated this brave new world.

Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"It's pleasing to see the top earners are doing mighty fine following our impending exit. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 22166.html I wonder how it's going for the under-class who facilitated this brave new world.'" It would have been the same story had we voted to remain. These multi-billionaires exist in a completely different universe to multi-millionaires never mind the underclasses! This ridiculous wealth accumulation started long before Brexit.

Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"It's pleasing to see the top earners are doing mighty fine following our impending exit. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 22166.html I wonder how it's going for the under-class who facilitated this brave new world.'" It would have been the same story had we voted to remain. These multi-billionaires exist in a completely different universe to multi-millionaires never mind the underclasses! This ridiculous wealth accumulation started long before Brexit.

Looks like the French will be staying "in the club"

/www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/07/emmanuel-macron-wins-french-presidency-marine-le-pen

So Merkel gets to rule Germany and France

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A former Rothschild investment banker set to unite divided and fractured France? Vive la France!

Yep, although Le Pen has always targeted the next election, not this one. Reasonable success this time is merely a bonus and possibly an indicator of things to come.



A few more years of an ever more desperate and tyrannical EU, an unstoppable migrant crisis, the Euro debacle, further Islamist attacks on French soil, deepening resentment against the establishment and growing unemployment, and things could easily be different next time round. Macron seems too soft to succeed, especially coming in as an inexperienced one-man band.



I'm a little disappointed - not because I particularly support Le Pen but because things need to change. The liberal mindset has only created division and failure and more of the same will only exacerbate the existing problems. France could have shaken things up and truly driven the message home to those at the helm of the EU who simply will not accept any form of change.



Who knows, significant change within the EU could have seen the UK reconsider its exit.

Thanks for that analysis Nigel - it seems that the right also shed tears when things don't go their way?



The gnashing of teeth from the anti-Euro brigade is interesting; the will of 51.9% of the 72.2% who voted in the EU referendum in the UK must be respected, but the French electorate got it wrong when 66% of a 75.3% turnout voted to reject the gentrified version of fascism that Le Pen represents?



This result shores up the EU significantly, and leaves the UK looking increasingly isolated.

Methinks you're reading too much into 'I'm a little disappointed...because things need to change".





Shed tears? Gnashing teeth? Please.

Yes, I believe the EU needs to dramatically change or die, and this would have been a great opportunity to force change on those inflicting their failed ideals on Europe. But hey ho, such is life. We'll be out soon enough, not my problem if Le Froggies choose to drag their pain out for a few more years. [size=60(awaits accusations of racism from snowflake)[/size



It's their choice. That's how democracy works (though you'd struggle to get that message through to Remoaners in the UK). More of the same for La Republique seems an odd choice - but by all accounts many voted against Le Pen rather than for Macron. The guy has barely put his manifesto together and has no party. Not a good state of affairs.

I'm not sure voting in Le Pen would make the state of affairs better (?).



You're possibly right in the bit I've bolded. I'd hope that if we were faced with similar options in the UK, people would use their vote first and foremost to reject fascism, even if that went against their belief on whether to remain or leave the EU. The lesser of two evils if you will (for those who'd see it that way).

Indeed

It's most significant that Le Penn's share of the vote, although strong in the first round at 35%, didn't budge in the second round and she again polled 35% (or pretty damn close).

My prediction of 6/7 weeks ago was bang on





Thankfully the vast majority of French, German, Dutch and English voters have said NO to the far right.



Having said that, something has to be done to slow the exodus from Africa, which seems to be the main influx of people into Europe.

What people voting for the unknown !

That would never happen in good old Blighty







You talk about no manifesto, which is still probably better than utter nonsense and drivel.



Yours



Snowflake

Indeed. That's a bit difficult for the populists though.



IMO there needs to be a combination of pressure and incentives on certain countries with the aim of improving conditions there. Only when issues such as war, poverty and the effects of climate change are addressed will the migration slow down.



Think Africa needs a country to "do a Turkey" when it comes to dealing with migrants. It will cost billions but it would prevent a lot of migrants coming to Europe. Trouble is nowhere in Africa seems anywhere close to Turkey in being able to do that.



Simply pulling up the drawbridge and ignoring it won't work.

I agree.

It's a crazy state of affairs when gangs of criminals can be allowed to charge desperate people significant cash on the "chance" of getting to Europe.

Although it would be utterly wrong to deny refuge to genuine asylum seekers, permitting "organised" mass movement is just wrong, on a number of levels.



It would seem harsh to rescue these people and return them to the port that they left but, without something like this, the problem will continue to grow.



As you suggest, with some dialogue and even some "incentives" between the most affected nations, on would expect that the numbers could be heavily reduced.



Of course, it suits some factions to portray all of this as "free movement" within the EU but there are multiple issues and they clearly need addressing.

Western countries need to agree a common approach to "persuade" the worst countries to sort themselves out. They also need to sort out neighbouring countries to ensure they can look after refugees.



It costs money - the reason for the foreign aid budget. Otherwise they'll turn up anyway.



A lot of what is wrong with Africa is down to western policy (e.g Libya) and it would be in our long term interests to sort it out.



Radicalisation always increases in chaotic places and situations. Sort that out and people turn away from it. However it's easier said than done.



It's a long term problem that won't be sorted overnight and doesn't play well with populists and electioneering.

Have they? We are leaving the EU (UKIP influenced) and we are about to vote in a hard Brexit leader on a landslide majority like never seen before. That's hardly socialism.



The Frogs were never going to vote for the right. If one country in the EU epitomises socialism its them. Unions, strikes, nationalism, overly complex and expensive workers rights, high welfare bill........

And in other news, the Tories have stolen another of Labour's policies on energy tariffs.



Although the UK followed Mr FArage out of Europe and he would be described as "Right Wing", people now look to have abandoned UKIP, which is certainly a NO or non, to the right wing.



T May is trying to please everyone at the moment left, Right and in between.

She'll probably appear on TV with all her Scottish "relatives" soon, it's no wonder we've had strong winds this week.

She appears to be following Trumps campaign and is just saying anything that sounds popular.

No credibility whatsoever.

She is just copying Blair who copied Clinton - it all about presentation something completely lost on the likes of Corbyn, McDonald and Abbot.

Of course they have UKIPs job is done now pass it to the Party who will deliver it. Its no different to a salesman opening the door of a client and winning the contract. Once that happens pass it to the specialist/techs to deliver the product







She could offer nation saving policies such as add 4 more public holidays to the 8 we get, Remove the parking fees at hospitals or critically tax private health insurance to a higher rate. At least we know we are in good hands under the red flag





Its creditworthy listening to Corbyn, Abbott and the rest of the reserves he has on his bench

Let’s say from the two evils French chose Macron, but still looks like they are not very happy.

These days I often meet French people, very few want to live in France, most of young people move to French speaking Belgium and Switzerland, sometimes to Germany, Netherlands or States.

I have spoken with a 29 year old French living in Germany, and he claims that for him it is impossible to live in Paris and have the same quality of life like he has in Germany. He’s got a good job in logistics and earns nearly twice more than in France, he can afford to buy apartment in Berlin [urlhttps://tranio.com/germany/berlin/apartments/[/url while in Paris he says no one of his age can, he feels more secure abroad, speaking no German and being a foreigner.

What point are you trying to make ?



I had some visitors from France a couple of months ago and they were explaining how the electoral system worked over there and they called the result exactly how it ended, with Le Penn getting 35% but remaining at 35% in the second round and that the remaining voters would line up against Le Penn in the second round.

At least they turned their backs on the hard line right wing.

Germany has taken huge numbers of immigrants and been the most "welcoming" nation, numbers that massively dwarf those coming into the UK.

The housing issue is a problem in all capital cities and perhaps more and more will follow the New York model, where everyone lives in the suburbs and commutes into the city to work.

We have just the same problem in London and it's just as bad in Dublin.

A bit off topic, but, you don't appear to know much about New York or London

What, ordinary people priced out of living in the capital cities ?

So MOST young French people go to live abroad do they? Interesting 'fact' that.