But will it cause terror to disabled people in that area?



If so, is it not by definition, a terrorist attack?



Incidentally, we're guessing at the mental state of the attacker. But let's fly with it for a moment. If one has been indoctrinated/brainwashed into a jihadist mentality, what is that if not a state of mental affliction?

You need to direct your fire at Theresa May. Watch as she pushes for the "snoopers charter" bill to be put back into the legislative program.



So far Cameron has shown suitable restraint in saying no such knee jerk reactions. We will see if he sticks too it and isn't bullied on this issue as he has been by his back benchers over Europe.



Here is a bit of background:



[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/23/woolwich-attack-cameron-reject-knee-jerk[/url



This is a pretty good observation piece as well:



[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2013/may/23/woolwich-attack-keeping-calm[/url



I particularly liked this comment:



"Whatever their religious beliefs, they are modern and secular enough to have decided to defer the fruits of martyrdom and carnal rewards in paradise. "



which is an interesting point and lends some weight to this comment from the same piece:



"Preoccupied elsewhere yesterday afternoon, I became aware of a "terrorist incident at Woolwich" quite late in the cycle. When I checked the BBC's News channel – Sky gets far too excited too quickly for my taste – [uI quickly decided that this ugly crime was likely to be a one-off by a couple of disturbed young men who joined a jihadi website class rather than one of south-east London's gangs. They might have murdered a gang rival or a shopkeeper, instead they channelled their testosterone bloodlust elsewhere.[/u I switched the TV off, watching the endless recycling of this voyeuristic stuff is bad for us all, even at my age."



"That instant assessment – a "lone wolf" attack, not part of an orchestrated onslaught directed by sinister forces abroad – may prove to be wrong, but nothing I have read or heard since then yet changes my mind."



And that is my view also. As such I don't it does anyone any favours to class this as terrorism.

In either case this is an act of terrorism, in the general sense and in a more specific legal sense to what I know, at least so far as the UK goes.









The perpetrator did implore the camera man and more generally the British people to do-away with the government, on the other hand, and that's (b) and (c) in section 1. Political/religious coercion, the means being serious violence.



I'm confused as to why there is any doubt this is an act of terrorism but I'm not a legal person. Seems pretty clear cut to me

But he mentioned gang violence and killings. Possibly that's what Rooster Booster is getting confused with?

I see the EDL have been out last night on the streets in their balaclavas. Do they have something to hide by disguising themselves as I would have thought that they'd have no problem showing their faces ?

It might but I would say no because I don't see evidence that there was any direction to the attack, unlike the one yesterday where the individual had a political/religious agenda he was trying to push.



I think they're mentally afflicted but that's fairly point of view based.

From what I've seen most of them have reason to wear masks, not blessed with good genes that lot. Then again I'm in no position to remark on such things

They're all Muslim women, so have to cover their faces

I wonder what you all think about what I think is a double standard at play. I've read many sickening comments on Twitter and Facebook, calling on death to Muslims, "Pakis"(lol wut?), let's go burn mosques and drag muslim children from their schools... That sort of thing. Hundreds if not thousands of comments like that, seemingly the police aren't all that interested in these people. I have no doubt for the most part it's racists and idiots blowing off steam and that they're not really going to take to the streets. But I've seen much milder stuff than this www.youtube.com/watch?v=80-wV5TlZ8o result in investigations, trials and convictions.

I wonder what you all think about what I think is a double standard at play. I've read many sickening comments on Twitter and Facebook, calling on death to Muslims, "Pakis"(lol wut?), let's go burn mosques and drag muslim children from their schools... That sort of thing. Hundreds if not thousands of comments like that, seemingly the police aren't all that interested in these people. I have no doubt for the most part it's racists and idiots blowing off steam and that they're not really going to take to the streets. But I've seen much milder stuff than this www.youtube.com/watch?v=80-wV5TlZ8o result in investigations, trials and convictions.

Its a stupid question which is always asked by those who's preferred response is one of kneejerking fekkwittery - you could start by pointing out at which post I mentioned that anyone had a "right" to practice any form of terrorism or where I have dismissed anything as a "price worth paying" ?



But you won't.

Until the investigations are concluded how do you know they weren't just a pair of deluded psychotic morons who latched onto this "cause" compared to any other?



They aren't your typical Muslim Extremest as they are still alive i.e. not Martyred! Why didn't they attack the Army Barracks? Why didn't they attack the public once having got their soldier?



As I said Lord Reid has already decided they [iare[/i terrorists and May wants the snoopers charter back. In my view it would be far better if it turns out they were as I describe.



Lending weight to their motives in describing them as terrorists and what they did an act of terror instead of murder doesn't do anyone any favours.



If after the investigation is concluded it turns out they have been off to training camps and were groomed for the attack, fair enough. Until them lumping this in the same basket as 9/11 , 7/7 or any IRA attacks is just not helpful and is in fact dangerous IMO.

Well said. This is a war and all right minded people should stand up for decency against the forces of darkness. I felt sick when i saw this on tv. What a horrible hellhole our country has become.