The country numbers have grown quicker than the NHS has and as such its overstretched. Had migration not been so freely available we wouldn't be where we are. I recognise that opens up more questions, but put simplistically, less foreigners = more availability in schools, hospitals, medical centres.



I know migrants work in all of these and contribute tax and and and..



As for being British, we speak english, we eat curry, wear vests, watch the premier league, drive Japanese cars, drink beer by the pint, moan about foreigners.....

German cars

Are they the British values on the questionnaire



I might be facing deportation.

So this will be the Tories, who were trying to get some workers rights pulled until the EU stopped them a couple of years ago?

British vales when I was brought up were arrogant: 'Britain is bes't, 'British made is best', all foreigners are second rate or in a lot of cases (eg the French) still essentially 'peasants'; paternalistic collections for missionary work in Africa; a winning GB RL team; addressing people formally; people having self-respect; the public services working; etc. I don't think Brexit will take us back to those halcyon days but one can hope.

They are your values.

The world has moved on since then, but hey bear baiting and slavery were once british values. You want to go back to those days, including raggy d kids starving or sent up chineys, phossy jaw etc from unsafe working practices etc etc?

The sad part is so may would love to see such things as long as it dosn't affect them.

In Dallys (daily mail influenced) world, it's all the fault of immigrants that's we no longer refer to people formally or that GB rugby league hasn't won a World Cup



Regards



King James

We don't with the RLWC because of inbreeding in small Northern towns,

I would gamble that the Northern communities were far more close knit back in the day (when we last won the RLWC) and it's the influence of "outsiders" in the gene pool that has diluted some of the Northern grit.

On this basis, Brexit, with all its "controls", might actually help, keeping Jonny foreigner out and sticking to a rigid diet of mucky fat and fish and chips.

"We don't with the World Cup"



What does that mean?



Regards



King James

Seems the judges are ruling the country now. Telling Parliament what the law is and how it must apply it.Worrying times

Yep, Enemies of the State deciding British law - shocking.



Perhaps they could appeal to the European Court of Human Rights.

Don't Parliament tell legal what laws we require? Who do the courts think they are to instruct Parliament what to do.

I hope you are being sarcastic? Parliament make the laws and the courts make sure they are enacted. That is all that has gone on here. People wanted our democracy back. Well this is it.

Pound has fallen since the judges opined.

The key word there is PARLIAMENT. Parliament pass laws and the courts uphold them.



The court is saying that the GOVERNMENT (May & her ministers) can't do it alone and must let Parliament have their say on Brexit, similar to the process for passing laws. It's got nothing to do with the courts telling Parliament what to do.



I fully agree with the ruling too. There's no change to what's ultimately going to happen, which is the UK leaving the EU, but surely going through Parliament is the more democratic way to do it?

Whilst I might agree that Parliament is the appropriate democratic tool, what happens if a pro remain Parliament filibusters the life out of the democratic process so that we end up with nothing, or a Brexit Lite solution overturning the sprit of Brexit that was contained within the referendum?



I understand that arguments will be and have been had regarding the 'great unwashed' not knowing what was on the table and what is good for them but I just don't buy it sounds like a stitch to me. After all if they say that we didn't have the information to make an informed choice who's fault is that?

What the eff is that?

Yep, it's fallen by 0.05% as I type, as opposed to it dropping by 10% straight after the Brexit vote.

Parliament as I understand it is there to represent the electorate? The referendum represented Parliament delegating the decision up to the electorate. The electorate voted out and so Parliament has no reason to debate the issue in my view. That said, if they try to overturn it there will no doubt be serious civil unrest and Parliament may cease to be in its present form.

I dont think there is anything whatsoever to worry about.

Brexit will go through parliament no problem and at least there may be some debate about how this change may affect the country, which is absolutely right.

The alternative was for an unelected prime minister, with HER cabinet, doing whatever they wanted, which was just wrong.

There is no way that Brexit will not happen and after all, the "style" of Brexit was never talked about or agreed by anyone, just that we would exit the EU.

And IF that fails, people can get rid of their local MP, who has an obligation to carry out their constituents' wishes.



No point getting excited, it's part of the British democracy, the thing that everyone voted for.



Just keep your fingers crossed that their cant be an appeal later on to the European court ??

As you asked so 'nicely' I will try and respond, before you stop wetting yourself for no good reason.



I understand that there is no such thing as the 'spirit' of Brexit, and it would probably be easier to explain if we were having a chat over a beer, although I'm not so sure that I could be bothered given your response, but, it was an attempt to establish that there must have been some shared understanding of what the leave voters were trying to achieve at a fundamental level?



There isn't, or shouldn't be 17 plus million versions, or ideas of leaving and what I was trying to say was a pro remain Parliamentary group should deliver what is in the national interest, but, in the frame of reference that we as a nation had voted out and not dilute it so much that it rendered the referendum a waste of time.



I used the term "spirit" because I wouldn't be so arrogant to assume that my idea of Brexit was the same as yours, or anyone else's. Those fundamentals might be sovereignty, the control of borders, ever closer steps towards a federal Europe.



I think that as we voted out we should get out in a Mickey Flanagan sense....Out, Out. The government should negotiate the best terms possible and not go half cock for example because their idea of national interest says access to the free market is the fundamental that dictates that we can never really leave.



Just my opinion rightly, or wrongly

You do realise that the referendum was advisory, as opposed to the referendum in 2011 regarding a change to the electoral system.







Yeah, but thankfully, that's just your view.









No doubt if the other half of the Country threatened civil unrest you would be outraged, remember, less than half of U.K. citizens voted to leave the E.U.

Well the people have advised and so Parliament must follow. No real difference is there?



Yes, my view but all the debating in the world is pointless as the only way to leave is leave and EU won't allow us equivalent terms to now. The stupidity surrounding this issue is astonishing. How can anybody lay out the clear oath than certain vexatious politicians suggest when in reality the government must negotiate hard with 27 other parties or whatever the number is this week?



As to the other half of the country, that could apply to any election / vote. They need to grin and bear it or go and live in a different democracy, dictatorship or theocracy of their choosing? I would suggest Iran.

and even less voted to remain.



Regarding your first point, Wikipedia states that the government issued a leaflet saying that "This is your decision the government will implement what you decide"