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Quote ="DHM"Good news, not so good news week. />
Not so good news: vaccine breakthrough data compared to initial correlates of protection from Oxford Uni is starting to show that Covid can infect most people who are vaccinated, only 20-25% have sufficient neutralizing antibody response to prevent actual infection. />
Good news: Vast majority have an overall antibody response that protects and prevents symptomatic infection (you are infected but don't realise). That particular antibody response can be accurately measured and correlates with severity (or lack of) symptoms. Hardly anyone vaccinated will show severe symptoms. Also it does appear that vaccinated individuals are less likely to infect others due to the lack of viral load developing.
Personally I see this as a warning that "herd immunity" will not be attained with this virus and it will become endemic like the other circulating coronas. I will be continuing to wear masks in shops etc. and take basic precautions, I think everyone should do that for some time for the time being. I don't believe another lockdown makes any sense, but we should all consider basic safe working practices where practical. Would be helpful if the young people dithering got vaccinated as well. It will definitely reduce the spread. Maybe free pizza will do the trick
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More good news: studies are underway to test the best booster options. This includes mixing vaccines. One piece of data shows that 2x AZ + a booster from an RNA vaccine (Pfizer or Moderna) gives a really strong response. I have had AZ, would be happy to get Pfizer as a booster.'" />
Every single point you made there was made by the scientists 6 months ago. When you say “personally” or “I believe” it’s on the back of what the scientists have already told us so at least give them the credit
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Quote ="DHM"Good news, not so good news week. />
Not so good news: vaccine breakthrough data compared to initial correlates of protection from Oxford Uni is starting to show that Covid can infect most people who are vaccinated, only 20-25% have sufficient neutralizing antibody response to prevent actual infection. />
Good news: Vast majority have an overall antibody response that protects and prevents symptomatic infection (you are infected but don't realise). That particular antibody response can be accurately measured and correlates with severity (or lack of) symptoms. Hardly anyone vaccinated will show severe symptoms. Also it does appear that vaccinated individuals are less likely to infect others due to the lack of viral load developing.
Personally I see this as a warning that "herd immunity" will not be attained with this virus and it will become endemic like the other circulating coronas. I will be continuing to wear masks in shops etc. and take basic precautions, I think everyone should do that for some time for the time being. I don't believe another lockdown makes any sense, but we should all consider basic safe working practices where practical. Would be helpful if the young people dithering got vaccinated as well. It will definitely reduce the spread. Maybe free pizza will do the trick
www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />
More good news: studies are underway to test the best booster options. This includes mixing vaccines. One piece of data shows that 2x AZ + a booster from an RNA vaccine (Pfizer or Moderna) gives a really strong response. I have had AZ, would be happy to get Pfizer as a booster.'" />
Every single point you made there was made by the scientists 6 months ago. When you say “personally” or “I believe” it’s on the back of what the scientists have already told us so at least give them the credit
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Quote ="Poky"Every single point you made there was made by the scientists 6 months ago. When you say “personally” or “I believe” it’s on the back of what the scientists have already told us so at least give them the credit'"
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Quote ="Poky"Every single point you made there was made by the scientists 6 months ago. When you say “personally” or “I believe” it’s on the back of what the scientists have already told us so at least give them the credit'"
Says the ignoramus who can’t even spell Poki correctly www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif" alt=" icon_biggrin.gif" title="Very Happy" />
[url https://poki.com/en/g/basketball-stars[/url />
But at least Dirty Boris has made sure his Moll has beeb double jabbed with a booster to, dirty old man www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif" alt=" icon_biggrin.gif" title="Very Happy" />
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Talk here (NZ) that Australian (NSW anyway) Kids may not return to their classrooms until January 2022. Cases on the rise and they are well behind the 8 ball (as we are) in terms of vaccinations, so I can see that they will lock down for a month or longer and then vaccinate as many people as possible before going down the UK herd strategy come December....not sure where that leaves us in New Zealand, but I doubt we will have open borders, vaccinated or not, for at least another year. />
I think we have 5 years of people being sensible before we will have a chance of normality.....wearing masks, hygiene, distancing etc.....Kids will develop immunity first......this will continue to kill old people but like the flu jab it'll drop the numbers.... |
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Talk here (NZ) that Australian (NSW anyway) Kids may not return to their classrooms until January 2022. Cases on the rise and they are well behind the 8 ball (as we are) in terms of vaccinations, so I can see that they will lock down for a month or longer and then vaccinate as many people as possible before going down the UK herd strategy come December....not sure where that leaves us in New Zealand, but I doubt we will have open borders, vaccinated or not, for at least another year. />
I think we have 5 years of people being sensible before we will have a chance of normality.....wearing masks, hygiene, distancing etc.....Kids will develop immunity first......this will continue to kill old people but like the flu jab it'll drop the numbers.... | |
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Quote ="Poky"Every single point you made there was made by the scientists 6 months ago. When you say “personally” or “I believe” it’s on the back of what the scientists have already told us so at least give them the credit'"
All the information I quoted I saw last week. I wasn't making "points" I was sharing information. For example the data for the Pfizer booster was published in the Lancet on the 29th July. />
As a published author on Covid I think I qualify to have an opinion also.
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Quote ="Poky"Every single point you made there was made by the scientists 6 months ago. When you say “personally” or “I believe” it’s on the back of what the scientists have already told us so at least give them the credit'"
All the information I quoted I saw last week. I wasn't making "points" I was sharing information. For example the data for the Pfizer booster was published in the Lancet on the 29th July. />
As a published author on Covid I think I qualify to have an opinion also.
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