Quote ="Mintball"I'd also suggest some films – how about [iAll Quiet on the Western Front[/i? That might not be British – anti-war films don't tend to be made much by victors – but I think it's also important that there is a sense that the loss off life was on both sides (IIRC, Harry Patch considered this vital) and it would be rather good for there to be a general understanding that 20-odd years of colonial adventurism on all sides were the real roots of ">WWI.'" Paths of Glory would be a good one then, though it is based on French soldiers.

Quote ="Mintball"I'd also suggest some films – how about [iAll Quiet on the Western Front[/i? That might not be British – anti-war films don't tend to be made much by victors – but I think it's also important that there is a sense that the loss off life was on both sides (IIRC, Harry Patch considered this vital) and it would be rather good for there to be a general understanding that 20-odd years of colonial adventurism on all sides were the real roots of ">WWI.'" Paths of Glory would be a good one then, though it is based on French soldiers.

I remember [iCommando[/i, although I've no memory of how I managed to get hold of them – not because ours was a pacifist household, but as a girl they were not on my allowed reading list.



Mind, some years later, with my mother censoring my teenage reading matter, anything where there was the remotest risk of S.E.X. being mentioned was verboten, but books about war were entirely acceptable (from Alistair MacLean to things like [iReach for the Sky[/i). Come to think of it, I had Biggles too, rather earlier.

Ever since learning about WW2 in Primary School (i'm 28 now) i've been intrigued by it, films, books,documentaries,games, you name it. I always found the Eastern Front to be more fascinating though, Stalingrad (the 1993 film) is one of my favourite films, and i refuse to watch the English-dubbed version as it takes away from it IMO.

Quote ="100% Wire"Ever since learning about WW2 in Primary School (i'm 28 now) i've been intrigued by it, films, books,documentaries,games, you name it. I always found the Eastern Front to be more fascinating though, Stalingrad (the 1993 film) is one of my favourite films, and i refuse to watch the English-dubbed version as it takes away from it ">IMO.'" Stalingrad is a battle that has fascinated me for a long time. Even on the astounding scale of the Eastern Front, Stalingrad is unique in its violence and nature. The development of 'Rattenkrieg' - Rat War. Stalin's order 227 - 'Not a step back'. The tanks rolling off the tractor factory production line straight into battle. The fight over 'Pavlov's House' and the grain elevator. The growing use of snipers and their duels. The complete annihilation of the 13th Guards Rifle Division (10,000 men) in 2-3 days in the mind-numbing slaughter on Mamayev Kurgan (where the huge Motherland memorial stands today). Hitler's refusal to allow retreat. The chaos of the airfield. The encirclement and the 'kessel', and the near break-through of the relieving Panzer force. The harshness of the Russian winter and the poor German winter equipment. Paulus' surrender and the fate of the surviving 6th. Antony Beevor's 'Stalingrad' is a great book on the subject - the numbers and facts he provides are staggering. His 'Berlin: The Downfall 1945' is also worth a read and I'd also recommend 'Moscow 1941' by Rodric Braithwaite. Stalingrad 1993 can be found on YT by searching 'Stalingrad (1993)-ganzer Film in HD deutsch/german'.

Quote ="100% Wire"Ever since learning about WW2 in Primary School (i'm 28 now) i've been intrigued by it, films, books,documentaries,games, you name it. I always found the Eastern Front to be more fascinating though, Stalingrad (the 1993 film) is one of my favourite films, and i refuse to watch the English-dubbed version as it takes away from it ">IMO.'" Stalingrad is a battle that has fascinated me for a long time. Even on the astounding scale of the Eastern Front, Stalingrad is unique in its violence and nature. The development of 'Rattenkrieg' - Rat War. Stalin's order 227 - 'Not a step back'. The tanks rolling off the tractor factory production line straight into battle. The fight over 'Pavlov's House' and the grain elevator. The growing use of snipers and their duels. The complete annihilation of the 13th Guards Rifle Division (10,000 men) in 2-3 days in the mind-numbing slaughter on Mamayev Kurgan (where the huge Motherland memorial stands today). Hitler's refusal to allow retreat. The chaos of the airfield. The encirclement and the 'kessel', and the near break-through of the relieving Panzer force. The harshness of the Russian winter and the poor German winter equipment. Paulus' surrender and the fate of the surviving 6th. Antony Beevor's 'Stalingrad' is a great book on the subject - the numbers and facts he provides are staggering. His 'Berlin: The Downfall 1945' is also worth a read and I'd also recommend 'Moscow 1941' by Rodric Braithwaite. Stalingrad 1993 can be found on YT by searching 'Stalingrad (1993)-ganzer Film in HD deutsch/german'.

Hitler's promotion of Paulus to [iGeneralfieldmarschall[/i did not have thw desired effect.

No German of that rank had ever surrendered on a battlefield.

He did, the day after promotion.

Quote ="WIZEB"Hitler's promotion of Paulus to [iGeneralfieldmarschall[/i did not have thw desired effect. No German of that rank had ever surrendered on a battlefield. He did, the day after ">promotion.'" If they had not been at the end of a tenuous supply line, they would have wiped the floor with the Russians. A defeat of a great army. Luckily for all of us.

Quote ="WIZEB"Hitler's promotion of Paulus to [iGeneralfieldmarschall[/i did not have thw desired effect. No German of that rank had ever surrendered on a battlefield. He did, the day after ">promotion.'" If they had not been at the end of a tenuous supply line, they would have wiped the floor with the Russians. A defeat of a great army. Luckily for all of us.