Probably our 4th backrower and considering 3 will play, he would have been next in line if we had any injuries.

You have to trust the club and the reasons for releasing him.

Just hope we have a plan, can't just keep letting players go without replacing them.

I thought we were a back rower short before this so would like to think we’d be in for a replacement. Chamberlain may be used there now but him and Holmes can’t be relied upon week in week out. And Fash certainly isn’t a back rower.

Unless the club under the new Coaching set up havent seen Staveley as part of the plans moving forward then we have to trust their judgement. If however he’s pushed for the move to Cas then I can’t help but think he’s been poorly advised. Looking at Cas so far they look a very poor side and it would seem he’d be leaving a Hull side that has made significant changes within the club to move forward to go to a club that seems so far to be in a similar position we were in last couple of seasons.

If the move his doing I’d be surprised he’s chosen a move to Cas over giving it a go under the new ownership and coaching set up.

He would walk into this Cas side though.

To me just another 'prospect' - to me never looked likely to command a starting position, even with the odd injury.

Is the reality that such guys actually become the blockers for the young guys coming through who have more potential, ambition & buy in to the new culture ?

For me I am over the moon the new regime are content to make changes - if they fail the attitude test then time to move on.

Regarding Cocie Wainhouse, sad to hear suggestions that he may be going the same way. BUT some on here have MASSIVELY bigged him up which could actually be the problem ? Great to read Carty's comments boosting players but balancing it with reason - 'He has loads to learn' or @physically he isn't there' .

Theres been issues bubbling for 4 weeks now and you have to trust the clubs new managements judgement here you have to have a settled group and group dynamics are as important as levels of ability at that age. I wouldn’t bother listening to his dad he’s bound to be loyal but on past experience he doesn’t appear to like the club much either

As out of towners there's no loyalty to the club from their side. From what I remember there was a bit of beef before Nick signed his last contract so who knows what's gone on. His dad will want the best for his son, and rightly so, but it may be that this is the best outcome for everyone, especially as Cas look awful.

As you say Pete as a club we need all individuals that are at the club that genuinely want to be a part of it, particularly in the playing side of things.

Thankfully we now have owners and a Coach that are on the same page and not afraid to make the changes needed even if that means we suffer a little pain in the short term.

I think Myler alluded to that in a couple of his interviews early doors when he mentioned we may lose some popular or promising players on the journey to rebuild the club.

For me after being fortunate enough to have a chat with Cartwright he speaks with brutal honesty and certainly seems to be fully focused on the job in the here & now and also the future to come. He certainly is strikes me as a guy that will back you all the way if you commit and likewise if you take the mick you’ll face consequences in a firm and fair way not vindictive.

As much as I can understand Staveley Snr will want what he perceives as the best for his lad I can’t help but think that they way he acts does hamper his sons progress.

Agree, but I guess he has signed for a proper club for next year and has negotiated a release/ been shown the door meantime.
Rovers leeds or wire??

A "proper club". And then you name those three