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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:16 am 
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The days of Union players not being fit enough and not being able to tackle are long gone.
Not everyone can move across to the same status they held in the other code but they can play.

Because the objectives of the games are the same it looks easy, but the individual objectives of the individual players are worlds apart the further down the numbers you get.
Wing and inside centre are good fits for rugby league.
Scrum half depending on the player. Back row but 8, 6 and 7 in that order because of the jobs they do.
Second row. Unlikely. Front row. Even less likely and if they do, not in the same position.
Dai Young was unique. Top of his game in Union and became a decent prop....but ecen he was not at the same level






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PopTart wrote:The days of Union players not being fit enough and not being able to tackle are long gone.
Not everyone can move across to the same status they held in the other code but they can play.

Because the objectives of the games are the same it looks easy, but the individual objectives of the individual players are worlds apart the further down the numbers you get.
Wing and inside centre are good fits for rugby league.
Scrum half depending on the player. Back row but 8, 6 and 7 in that order because of the jobs they do.
Second row. Unlikely. Front row. Even less likely and if they do, not in the same position.
Dai Young was unique. Top of his game in Union and became a decent prop....but ecen he was not at the same level

Brad Thorn and Sonny Bill are the only forwards to my knowledge who have been dominant in both codes in recent times. Looking forward to seeing how Nawaqanitawase goes for the roosters on the edge.






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Pat Bateman wrote:Brad Thorn and Sonny Bill are the only forwards to my knowledge who have been dominant in both codes in recent times. Looking forward to seeing how Nawaqanitawase goes for the roosters on the edge.


What a terffic score that is in Scrabble..... :P






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Pat Bateman wrote:Brad Thorn and Sonny Bill are the only forwards to my knowledge who have been dominant in both codes in recent times. Looking forward to seeing how Nawaqanitawase goes for the roosters on the edge.


Sonny Bill is a good example.
You'd think he'd be a flanker but he was at his best at centre.
Brad Thorn was just a monster athlete and very adaptable. Great player in both.






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BarnsleyGull wrote:What a terffic score that is in Scrabble..... :P


You would need a 5XL shirt to get that name on the back :shock:






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PopTart wrote:Sonny Bill is a good example.
You'd think he'd be a flanker but he was at his best at centre.
Brad Thorn was just a monster athlete and very adaptable. Great player in both.

What was your opinion on Sam Burgess at the RUWC.






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Pat Bateman wrote:What was your opinion on Sam Burgess at the RUWC.


He could easily have been great but they just didn't use him properly.
I actually went to Gloucester to see him play after he'd just started playing. He got the ball about 3 times at centre in the game but looked destructive when he got it.
When he played for England it was similar. They didn't like it because he wasn't scoring at will but they didn't give him a run from deep. When they took him off defense fell apart and they lost.

With time he'd have been world class but I'm glad he came back to be honest.






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Pat Bateman wrote:What was your opinion on Sam Burgess at the RUWC.



I think Sam was made the scapegoat for England's catastrophic failure at the 2015 World Cup .

Whilst I accept he was fast tracked by the coach Stuart Lancaster in to the England world cup squad the truth was the England camp wasn't together as a group and couldn't handle the pressure of a home world cup .

Sam wasn't anything like as bad as he was made out to be in that tournament and in my opinion Union being what it is , it was easy to blame the Rugby League lad from Heckmondwike for the complete failure of that England team .

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PopTart wrote:Dai Young was unique. Top of his game in Union and became a decent prop....but ecen he was not at the same level

Dai Young and Simon Irvine (England RU junior international) both made their Leeds RLFC debuts away at Halifax in the "A team" on a cold wednesday evening.
I actually went to the game that night and it was evident that Dai Young didn't have a clue whatsoever about what his role would entail in the RL game






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BarnsleyTrinity wrote:I think Sam was made the scapegoat for England's catastrophic failure at the 2015 World Cup .

Whilst I accept he was fast tracked by the coach Stuart Lancaster in to the England world cup squad the truth was the England camp wasn't together as a group and couldn't handle the pressure of a home world cup .

Sam wasn't anything like as bad as he was made out to be in that tournament and in my opinion Union being what it is , it was easy to blame the Rugby League lad from Heckmondwike for the complete failure of that England team .


He was absolutely used as a scapegoat and done so totally against the facts but the Rugby Union media fell all over themselves at the opportunity to rubbish a Northern lad from Rugby League.

In their game against Wales, Burgess absolutely dominated Wales and Lions centre Jamie Robert’s defensively giving him fits while running all over him when in possession. England were ahead on the scoreboard when Burgess was substituted but after he was gone Robert’s suddenly came alive and made the break from which Wales scored and won the game.

It was ridiculous to blame Burgess!

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