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 Post subject: Re: Max
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 8:00 pm 
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Another Cas Fan wrote:Again with respect , and that may be the case in a year or two , but I'm not sure many (other than Wakey fans) would consider him better than Niall at the moment. Yes , he's looked good this season , but there is a massive gulf in quality between SL and Championship rugby. Niall is proven at SL level and has been for some time now.

I think Max has the ability to be a top class FB in time , he's just not there yet and needs regular SL experience to further improve and reach his full potential , something I am sure he will do in the future.


One thing we never really struggled with in SL was full back. Max has always been fine at SL level.

You’ll be very hard pressed to find any Trinty fan who see Max week in week out even consider a swap for Evalds or Brierly. That’s more to the point that Butcher was making. Other fans don’t see him week in and week out like we do.

He’s already SL standard but to reach England level he just needs to tidy up a couple of areas. He’s not far away at all looking at the lack of English fullbacks in SL. There are certain parts to Jowitts game that would improve Evalds and vice versa at this time but hopefully Max can start to really shine this next few years and show the rest of SL what a lot of trinity fans believe he’s capable of.






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 Post subject: Re: Max
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 8:00 pm 
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Another Cas Fan wrote:Again with respect , and that may be the case in a year or two , but I'm not sure many (other than Wakey fans) would consider him better than Niall at the moment. Yes , he's looked good this season , but there is a massive gulf in quality between SL and Championship rugby. Niall is proven at SL level and has been for some time now.

I think Max has the ability to be a top class FB in time , he's just not there yet and needs regular SL experience to further improve and reach his full potential , something I am sure he will do in the future.


You may be right.......we'll find out soon enough.
My money is on Max though.






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 Post subject: Re: Max
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 8:17 pm 
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PopTart wrote:I actually said he'd developed this part of his game.
I also said his attack is as good if not better than anyone.

So to use your oft used phrase, maybe you should go back and reread my post.

Saying that, my point is, improving your line management in the championship is great, but it isn't SL.
I'm sure he will develop further under Powell but I see this as an area he has to show his improvement this year.

For England, he doesn't really have a lot of competition as most teams have an overseas full back.
Welsby, Evalds, Hardaker at a push and Eckersley at Wigan as an outsider.


Fair enough, ultimately how Max gets percieved will come down a lot to how the team performs as a whole.

If we have a solid season and can get on the front foot enough to show some attacking plays and his skills then it will only help his cause.

England full backs as you say are a rarity anyway so that only improves his chances. Sometimes luck or lack of it can play a part in players getting caps.






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 Post subject: Re: Max
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 8:39 pm 
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Another Cas Fan wrote:Again with respect , and that may be the case in a year or two , but I'm not sure many (other than Wakey fans) would consider him better than Niall at the moment. Yes , he's looked good this season , but there is a massive gulf in quality between SL and Championship rugby. Niall is proven at SL level and has been for some time now.

I think Max has the ability to be a top class FB in time , he's just not there yet and needs regular SL experience to further improve and reach his full potential , something I am sure he will do in the future.


Absolutely, your first point here is exactly the point I was making. Only Wakey fans think/know he’s a better all round full back than Evalds or Brierley, opposition fans don’t, which is why he needs a great couple of seasons to prove it. Where we disagree is that while Niall Evalds is a good player - great positioning and plenty of speed - he’s not as safe, skilful or creative as Jowitt.

Of course we’ve been here all season saying and thinking ‘well Super League’s a different level’, but experience (Super 8s, Challenge Cup etc) shows you that the gap’s not that big between the full time Champ teams and the lower table SL teams, and the players that make them. We won 38 out of 40 games. I honestly don’t think Cas, Huddersfield, Hull or London’s squads would have done that.

And Jowitt was our best player, and the league’s best player. Now he’s off to skin James Tedesco in the Ashes :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Max
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 9:19 pm 
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Butcher wrote:Absolutely, your first point here is exactly the point I was making. Only Wakey fans think/know he’s a better all round full back than Evalds or Brierley, opposition fans don’t, which is why he needs a great couple of seasons to prove it. Where we disagree is that while Niall Evalds is a good player - great positioning and plenty of speed - he’s not as safe, skilful or creative as Jowitt.

Of course we’ve been here all season saying and thinking ‘well Super League’s a different level’, but experience (Super 8s, Challenge Cup etc) shows you that the gap’s not that big between the full time Champ teams and the lower table SL teams, and the players that make them. We won 38 out of 40 games. I honestly don’t think Cas, Huddersfield, Hull or London’s squads would have done that.

And Jowitt was our best player, and the league’s best player. Now he’s off to skin James Tedesco in the Ashes :lol:


James Tedesco who? not fit to bring Max’s kicking tee out surely
:D






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 Post subject: Re: Max
PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 2:03 pm 
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I have confidence Max will stay.
Whether he plays for England does not bother me as long as he keeps doing the business for us.
IMO if Max maintains his progress with his defence, I wouldn't swap him for another fb in the game let alone SL.
In response to previous comments Max was doing the business in SL years ago!
AND he isn't a bad stand off!

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 Post subject: Re: Max
PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 6:17 pm 
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All the postings have good points, but think on, max can afford not to sign & play out this season knowing he is on a free transfer @ the end of season, equally we as a club would have some thinking to do ?
Maybe max is waiting to see if the RFL, grant him a benefit season this year ?
This could be something he is waiting for ?

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 Post subject: Re: Max
PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 6:29 pm 
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Start@1873 wrote:All the postings have good points, but think on, max can afford not to sign & play out this season knowing he is on a free transfer @ the end of season, equally we as a club would have some thinking to do ?
Maybe max is waiting to see if the RFL, grant him a benefit season this year ?
This could be something he is waiting for ?


As a doom monger, I'm not sure this is the one to cling to.






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 Post subject: Re: Max
PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 6:36 pm 
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Start@1873 wrote:All the postings have good points, but think on, max can afford not to sign & play out this season knowing he is on a free transfer @ the end of season, equally we as a club would have some thinking to do ?
Maybe max is waiting to see if the RFL, grant him a benefit season this year ?
This could be something he is waiting for ?


He could...but I don't think Matt Ellis will play that game.

If a player doesn't want to invest into his vision for the future, Ellis won't wait around wondering - he'll buy a replacement and move on.

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 Post subject: Re: Max
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Fair point. It's up to Max too on this. It's not just for us to pay no matter what.

......but personally I think he's worth a lot to us.






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