i've been trying to remember the year but think it was early 90s that we played Oldham in one of the cups. Absolutely baltic, and one of my mates girlfriends had to leave with hypothermia

coldest i've ever been was HKR away in January on a Wednesday night, and i went over in my shirt (wasnt the brightest idea i've ever had), and there was a slightly cold wind coming in off the estuary, ,well before the trees had established themselves in the old away end

You do make a good point and I have to say that now as a Dad, I prefer seating for the home games but I do like standing away from home as it tends to be the more vocal fans away from home, so all standing together creates a good atmosphere. My eldest lad has just turned 14 so is big enough now not to have his view restricted whilst standing- my youngest lad who is 11 has no interest in going to games.

I think you are never going to please everyone, be it an all-seater, predominantly standing or a mixture of both.

Wigan away games standing on the terraces are miles better for atmosphere with the exception of Headingley due to the open end.

Saints away, Wire away and even Salford away stand above (pardon the pun) to seated away ends.

I bet he has Stu, he’s a secret Wigan fan and he doesn’t want to upset you

Not sure how much value there would be in that. It certainly wouldn’t come into play for Latics games as they only get about 60 people, on average, using the Cherry and Whites (I think they call it Springfield) Lounge.

That's part of the problem I have with them Stu. Our 10 year old absolutely hates them as she simply never gets a good view. If she decides she doesn't want to go that's a minimum of 3 lost ticket sales and could be as many as 5 on some occasions. My dad stopped going to away games completely because of the standing. That's unnecessary ticket sales lost because of some archaic belief that it's ok to make people stand for 3 hours for a restricted view. Bizarre! I also have never heard of someone going to a game because it's standing so the losses aren't balanced by any gains.

I also take issue with the assertion that it creates a better atmosphere. It doesn't. It's just people conflating two very different things. The atmosphere is best when there's a good travelling support and that goes for both home and away games. Whether they're standing or not has no positive bearing on that whatsoever. In fact I'd argue the opposite if anything as some fans become disengaged through an inability to see properly, getting tired through standing in one spot for 3 hours or not even going in the first place.

As I said in the last post, the best atmospheres last season were Catalans away and Hull KR at home and there was no standing at either. What they did have in both cases is an excellent travelling support. Standing works against that as it puts some people off going.

I do enjoy the standing away ends.
However, one of the best away atmospheres I often think back to was Saints in 2011, when they where playing at Widnes. (was it madges last game)

We made an absolute racket, all night, in an all seater away end.
So it can be done

I think I was at this game, got off a lovely warm coach into a -35 wind and a frost laden floor. My mate and I were that cold we went into the Hull KR supporters bar, We got threatened with violence unless we left, but we argued that violence was better then the outside cold which raised a laugh so they let us stay!!

If it's the correct game, the players came out looking blue with cold and Gene Miles looked like he was ready to fly back to Oz immediately. The floodlights also failed with about 10 mins to go, luckily we were winning.

And yet people say, bring back winter rugby!