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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:32 am 
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Just heard on the radio that Rob Burrow and Ed Slater between devised hybrid rugby rules .A match played under these rules will be played at Headingly next month.Kits will be based on Robs Leeds and Ed Slaters based on his Gloucester kit referees will have tartan kits in memory of Doddy Weir .All proceeds to MND

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid rugby
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"jaws1"]Just heard on the radio that Rob Burrow and Ed Slater between devised hybrid rugby rules .A match played under these rules will be played at Headingly next month.Kits will be based on Robs Leeds and Ed Slaters based on his Gloucester kit referees will have tartan kits in memory of Doddy Weir .All proceeds to MND[/quote]

Yes, ive seen something about this previously with a real hybrid of a game. Unlimited tackles until you get into the oppositions half then it was 6 tackles, scrums and lineouts but uncontested. Ball steals allowed

it could be interesting to see if it just stays as a one off / charity concept or if it actually develops into something more. i know we have had cross code games previously but all they proved were that the RL team was far superior at League and the Union team far superior at Union, unless the league team could actually get hold of the ball and ran it the full length :)

just googled it and found the attached URL, where there is also a link to the rules for the game

https://www.therhinos.co.uk/rob-burrow-cbe/the-745-game
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"jaws1"]Just heard on the radio that Rob Burrow and Ed Slater between devised hybrid rugby rules .A match played under these rules will be played at Headingly next month.Kits will be based on Robs Leeds and Ed Slaters based on his Gloucester kit referees will have tartan kits in memory of Doddy Weir .All proceeds to MND[/quote]

Yes, ive seen something about this previously with a real hybrid of a game. Unlimited tackles until you get into the oppositions half then it was 6 tackles, scrums and lineouts but uncontested. Ball steals allowed

it could be interesting to see if it just stays as a one off / charity concept or if it actually develops into something more. i know we have had cross code games previously but all they proved were that the RL team was far superior at League and the Union team far superior at Union, unless the league team could actually get hold of the ball and ran it the full length :)

just googled it and found the attached URL, where there is also a link to the rules for the game

https://www.therhinos.co.uk/rob-burrow-cbe/the-745-game

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid rugby
PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:01 pm 
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Interesting, but I struggle to understand what an 'uncontested line-out' is.

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid rugby
PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:13 pm 
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moto748 wrote:Interesting, but I struggle to understand what an 'uncontested line-out' is.


it will basically be that the side it is awarded to , effectively throw it to their own team. we need bear in mind its a charity game and some of the RL players wont have experienced being lifted 10ft into the air, with a 20stone, 7ft tall dude smashing you back down to earth :)

there were rules around the awarding of scrums, lineouts etc within the link, i just didnt post all of the rules

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid rugby
PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:41 pm 
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I remember Ray French once giving an interview in which he opined that, long-term, the only way for rugby to perpetuate itself as a major big money sport was for the top sides in RL and RU to join forces and combine their talent and resources in a single competition.

Whether that's being discussed at any level, maybe because of the parlous state of both RU and RL domestic games in the UK today, is uncertain of course, but it's probably unlikely.

The NRL doesn't need a hybrid version in order to survive. Likewise, international RU is doing fine without changing anything.

This sounds like nothing more than a charity one-off.

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid rugby
PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:57 pm 
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Rugby onion isn't really in that healthy a state. They've got the same issue with concussion claims that we have, plus they've had big name clubs fold in recent years.

It's bad enough that a Faily Mail journo wrote a piece suggesting a merger a month ago

https://archive.ph/DZW8I

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Rugby should MERGE union and league to save the game we all love, argues CHRIS FOY
Officials should be considering the possibility of one version of the game
It's time to stop scrapping for a slice of the sporting market in a time of volatility
There just isn’t enough space for two codes to thrive – and both have their value
By Chris Foy for the Daily Mail
Published: 12:10 EDT, 15 September 2024 | Updated: 12:41 EDT, 15 September 2024


Never mind a merger of leagues in union, it’s time to be far more radical, by considering a merger between league and union. Reunite the codes, after more than a century apart. That is not a typing error. Most consider it unthinkable, but officials across rugby’s historic divide should be considering the possibility of creating one version of the game, as a means of staying vibrant and relevant. Stop scrapping for a slice of the sporting market, in a time of volatility and change. Any honest assessment, with sentiment removed from the equation, would conclude that there just isn’t enough space for two codes to thrive – and both have their value.



Union brings a far superior international dimension, but league offers a major stronghold in Australia – where league utterly eclipses union in terms of following and finances – along with pockets in New Zealand, the Pacific, and the north of England. There is plenty of tribal passion along the M62 corridor, which is not recognised beyond that catchment area.



Super League’s regular season is finishing – just as the Premiership is about to start – with Wigan, Hull Kingston Rovers and Warrington jostling at the top of the table. Those clubs, along with others such as Leeds Rhinos, St Helens and Hull FC, have fan-bases comparable to most Premiership clubs and the Super League Grand Final attracts 60,000-70,000 crowds, which is not far off many Premiership Final attendances in recent times.

When it comes to following on social media, the codes are closely matched. Leeds have far more followers on X – 206,000 – than any of the union clubs, led by Leicester, who have nearly 170,000. Wigan and St Helens have a healthy digital fan-base too. Average crowds are comparable in both codes, although the Tigers are the clear leaders when it comes to match-day ticket sales.



Union attracts the greater coverage, but league appears to resonate more with younger ‘Gen Z’ audiences. According to data compiled late last year, the 13-man code was in the top 20 sports for engagement in the UK, for 18-24 year olds, whereas union wasn’t in that category. That backs up anecdotal evidence about union’s ageing fanbase in this country.

At a time when sports are increasingly viewed via apps and online content, amid a raft of data about shortening attention spans, a simple format has obvious appeal. League ticks that box far more than union, with its re-set scrums, laboured lineouts, collapsing mauls, messy breakdowns and nuanced laws. A wide section of the public can relate to the essence of a run, catch, pass, tackle game – but are put off by greater complexity.



England players often attend league game when on tour Down Under, and are blown away by the physicality and skill levels – as were the Wales squad who went to the State of Origin decider in Brisbane this year and were shocked by its relentless intensity. League desperately needs a wider profile, but brings a gladiatorial nature which appeals.



There is scope for both sides of the divide to gain from a merger, in myriad ways. Union's domestic power base is too limited and league's is even more so - plus the latter code has a tiny global footprint and can benefit from union's reach in Europe, Africa and South America. Meanwhile, as the Premiership and RFU seek new clubs to emerge and enhance the elite, after the recent demise of Wasps, London Irish and Worcester, imagine adding Wigan, St Helens and Leeds, along with all the superpower sides Down Under, to secure rugby's future there.



How would it work; uniting the codes? It wouldn’t be easy - not least because league is a summer sport in these parts and union operates in winter - and should be a target at professional level only. While many of the league staples, including 13-a-side, could work, there is no reason why a set-piece element couldn’t be incorporated, with lineouts and contested scrums in reduced form. Flankers could thrive in a fast-paced version of the game which puts an onus on their dynamism and defensive prowess, while taking away the ruck battle which carries such an injury risk.



Union changes its laws so often that creating a hybrid format shouldn’t be too taxing for those who spend their time tinkering in the quest for box-office nirvana. Plus, there has been so much coaching cross-over and adoption of league principles in attack and defence, so it wouldn’t be such a culture shock for many backs; whether they are decision-makers, distributors, runners or finishers.



Traditionalists will be outraged by any argument that challenges the status quo and it does present a threat to the ‘game for all shapes and sizes’ point of difference cherished by union. But the greatest threat of all is to the future existence of rugby, amid rapid shifts in the sporting landscape.



Together, the codes can be stronger.
Rugby onion isn't really in that healthy a state. They've got the same issue with concussion claims that we have, plus they've had big name clubs fold in recent years.

It's bad enough that a Faily Mail journo wrote a piece suggesting a merger a month ago

https://archive.ph/DZW8I

Quote:
Rugby should MERGE union and league to save the game we all love, argues CHRIS FOY
Officials should be considering the possibility of one version of the game
It's time to stop scrapping for a slice of the sporting market in a time of volatility
There just isn’t enough space for two codes to thrive – and both have their value
By Chris Foy for the Daily Mail
Published: 12:10 EDT, 15 September 2024 | Updated: 12:41 EDT, 15 September 2024


Never mind a merger of leagues in union, it’s time to be far more radical, by considering a merger between league and union. Reunite the codes, after more than a century apart. That is not a typing error. Most consider it unthinkable, but officials across rugby’s historic divide should be considering the possibility of creating one version of the game, as a means of staying vibrant and relevant. Stop scrapping for a slice of the sporting market, in a time of volatility and change. Any honest assessment, with sentiment removed from the equation, would conclude that there just isn’t enough space for two codes to thrive – and both have their value.



Union brings a far superior international dimension, but league offers a major stronghold in Australia – where league utterly eclipses union in terms of following and finances – along with pockets in New Zealand, the Pacific, and the north of England. There is plenty of tribal passion along the M62 corridor, which is not recognised beyond that catchment area.



Super League’s regular season is finishing – just as the Premiership is about to start – with Wigan, Hull Kingston Rovers and Warrington jostling at the top of the table. Those clubs, along with others such as Leeds Rhinos, St Helens and Hull FC, have fan-bases comparable to most Premiership clubs and the Super League Grand Final attracts 60,000-70,000 crowds, which is not far off many Premiership Final attendances in recent times.

When it comes to following on social media, the codes are closely matched. Leeds have far more followers on X – 206,000 – than any of the union clubs, led by Leicester, who have nearly 170,000. Wigan and St Helens have a healthy digital fan-base too. Average crowds are comparable in both codes, although the Tigers are the clear leaders when it comes to match-day ticket sales.



Union attracts the greater coverage, but league appears to resonate more with younger ‘Gen Z’ audiences. According to data compiled late last year, the 13-man code was in the top 20 sports for engagement in the UK, for 18-24 year olds, whereas union wasn’t in that category. That backs up anecdotal evidence about union’s ageing fanbase in this country.

At a time when sports are increasingly viewed via apps and online content, amid a raft of data about shortening attention spans, a simple format has obvious appeal. League ticks that box far more than union, with its re-set scrums, laboured lineouts, collapsing mauls, messy breakdowns and nuanced laws. A wide section of the public can relate to the essence of a run, catch, pass, tackle game – but are put off by greater complexity.



England players often attend league game when on tour Down Under, and are blown away by the physicality and skill levels – as were the Wales squad who went to the State of Origin decider in Brisbane this year and were shocked by its relentless intensity. League desperately needs a wider profile, but brings a gladiatorial nature which appeals.



There is scope for both sides of the divide to gain from a merger, in myriad ways. Union's domestic power base is too limited and league's is even more so - plus the latter code has a tiny global footprint and can benefit from union's reach in Europe, Africa and South America. Meanwhile, as the Premiership and RFU seek new clubs to emerge and enhance the elite, after the recent demise of Wasps, London Irish and Worcester, imagine adding Wigan, St Helens and Leeds, along with all the superpower sides Down Under, to secure rugby's future there.



How would it work; uniting the codes? It wouldn’t be easy - not least because league is a summer sport in these parts and union operates in winter - and should be a target at professional level only. While many of the league staples, including 13-a-side, could work, there is no reason why a set-piece element couldn’t be incorporated, with lineouts and contested scrums in reduced form. Flankers could thrive in a fast-paced version of the game which puts an onus on their dynamism and defensive prowess, while taking away the ruck battle which carries such an injury risk.



Union changes its laws so often that creating a hybrid format shouldn’t be too taxing for those who spend their time tinkering in the quest for box-office nirvana. Plus, there has been so much coaching cross-over and adoption of league principles in attack and defence, so it wouldn’t be such a culture shock for many backs; whether they are decision-makers, distributors, runners or finishers.



Traditionalists will be outraged by any argument that challenges the status quo and it does present a threat to the ‘game for all shapes and sizes’ point of difference cherished by union. But the greatest threat of all is to the future existence of rugby, amid rapid shifts in the sporting landscape.



Together, the codes can be stronger.






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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid rugby
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 3:09 pm 
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Which is surely why many league fans are suspicious of 'hybrid games'. When union went pro, there was a flurry of pieces in the media saying the codes should merge. Always comes from the union side of course. Our sport is just fine as it is. Adapting rules to make it more like union would not improve it.

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid rugby
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moto748 wrote:Which is surely why many league fans are suspicious of 'hybrid games'. When union went pro, there was a flurry of pieces in the media saying the codes should merge. Always comes from the union side of course. Our sport is just fine as it is. Adapting rules to make it more like union would not improve it.


Get rid of Lineouts,get rid of 2 players ,bring it down to 13,keep the scrums and we could be getting somewhere.

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid rugby
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:43 pm 
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Objectively, in the modern era, with fit professional players, not tubs of lard, union would be a better game with 13 players, but as they insist on the primacy of their 16-man scrum, that's never likely to happen. Plus, they wouldn't to be seen as 'copying league', of course.

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