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Big lads mate wrote:So would you keep London in who have been nomads with their playing bases, and poor attendances and finished bottom of the league Philth ?, if it was straight relegation and promotion Wakefield would be in SL any way, so the gradings would not be nessesary, but as it is they have spent big regarding stadium issues and had the gonads to keep a full time squad, which could have easily back fired, a squad that would have beaten a few of the bottom half clubs in SL and with a bigger fan base, Wakefield didn't create IMG, but did their utmost on and off the field to achive the best grading that they could, we will have to see next season, if they are in SL, how they react.
Not about London or Wakefield really, I'm questioning the process, those 2 are an example but throw Hull, Hudds and Salford in there. If there's 5 points for performance and Hudds get 2 for a crap season in Super League and Wakey get 5 for a good season in the league below, it doesn't feel like apples to apples comparison.
All a mute point because there's more on offer and the Wakey chairman has thrown some money and structure at the club.
Philth wrote:Not about London or Wakefield really, I'm questioning the process, those 2 are an example but throw Hull, Hudds and Salford in there. If there's 5 points for performance and Hudds get 2 for a crap season in Super League and Wakey get 5 for a good season in the league below, it doesn't feel like apples to apples comparison.
All a mute point because there's more on offer and the Wakey chairman has thrown some money and structure at the club.
Understand your point, but the swings are not that extreme and Wakey don't get near 5 points. Only Wigan would have scored 5 points as they finished top (4 points), won the Grand final (0.75 points), and won the challenge cup (0.25 Points).
Wakey finished 10th, 12th and 13th in the last 3 years, so I would guess their points to be 3.131 2.781 for league position and +0.25 for Champ Grand Final and +0.1 for 1895 cup.
Huddersfield finished 3rd, 9th and 9th for last 3 years, so their points I think would be 3.314, so better than Wakeys.
Just to show the difference a team finishing 11th for 3 years would score 2.857, so Wakeys score has benefitted to being runaway winners due to them being full time, but then they have had an owner that has supported that financially with little to no central funding, they just got a little lucky as the likes of Featherstone and Toulouse aren't funding similar squads, but the benefit of that was only 0.35 points - though a benefit none the less.
In that time, we have ended up with an identical league as 2023 and a paltry sports rights deal with Sky valued at < 50% of the previous deal, Magic weekend limps on. However we have seen RL on BBC, CH4 and every match on Sky (and resultant reduction in live game attendance). They have also changed the CC format in that we join a round earlier in 2025.
Bit of a mixed bag.
ratticusfinch wrote:It’s all an absolute load of cack….thats my scientific input.
In that time, we have ended up with an identical league as 2023 and a paltry sports rights deal with Sky valued at < 50% of the previous deal, Magic weekend limps on. However we have seen RL on BBC, CH4 and every match on Sky (and resultant reduction in live game attendance). They have also changed the CC format in that we join a round earlier in 2025.
In that time, we have ended up with an identical league as 2023 and a paltry sports rights deal with Sky valued at < 50% of the previous deal, Magic weekend limps on. However we have seen RL on BBC, CH4 and every match on Sky (and resultant reduction in live game attendance). They have also changed the CC format in that we join a round earlier in 2025.
Bit of a mixed bag.
The key sentence is your first one IMO.
I don't think IMG had anything to do with the current TV deal. In terms of Magic Weekend and Loop fixtures, IMG wanted to get rid of both - a popular view I think for most fans, but the clubs overruled it.
I think we have seen evidence of clubs progressing, off the field, which is why the gradings were put in. I'd imagine we will see these gradings tweaked as we go through the years, to drive further improvements. We have two clubs in much better positions in terms of ownership (Wakey & Cas) with Hull FC rumoured to have new investment also. Whether its coincidence it has happened following IMG's arrival I'm not sure.
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