FORUMS FORUMS




  

Home Wakefield Trinity Other Championship Clubs



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 418 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Other Championship Clubs
PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:35 pm 
Club Coach
Club Coach
User avatar

Joined: Apr 24 2011
Posts: 17989
PopTart wrote:I agree. But the millionaire backer can't just say ill stay if I was in Super League.
He could have used his money to get a longer lease on a permanent home and aimed to get more IMG points.
He's got 1 point head start on us.


I absolutely agree.
The whole issue with London is that, from the moment that they achieved promotion, regardless of any money spent, any on field or off field progress made, they were certainties for relegation.
In a sense, they would have been better off not gaining promotion.
The secondary point is that, throughout the SL era, we have often heard how much the comp needs a club in London etc.
The reality is that, through the composition of the IMG criteria, London have actually been excluded from the top flight and the question comes back to do those running the sport want a London Club in the top flight ?

Following their relegation and with Eccles now gone, it's unlikely that they will ever return to the top flight and they may struggle to survive at all.

Is this what people wanted and how does this fit with the IMG tagline of "reimagining Rugby League" ?

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Other Championship Clubs
PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 5:30 pm 
Moderator
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Oct 04 2008
Posts: 21343
Location: wakefield
wrencat1873 wrote:I absolutely agree.
The whole issue with London is that, from the moment that they achieved promotion, regardless of any money spent, any on field or off field progress made, they were certainties for relegation.
In a sense, they would have been better off not gaining promotion.
The secondary point is that, throughout the SL era, we have often heard how much the comp needs a club in London etc.
The reality is that, through the composition of the IMG criteria, London have actually been excluded from the top flight and the question comes back to do those running the sport want a London Club in the top flight ?

Following their relegation and with Eccles now gone, it's unlikely that they will ever return to the top flight and they may struggle to survive at all.

Is this what people wanted and how does this fit with the IMG tagline of "reimagining Rugby League" ?


Then you aren't agreeing with me.

I'm saying rather than saying I won't put money in because I'm not in SL, the backer should have put money in the right places based on IMG and guaranteed SL for London.






A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker - Buddha

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Other Championship Clubs
PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:05 pm 
Club Coach
International Star

Joined: Nov 03 2004
Posts: 7301
wrencat1873 wrote:I absolutely agree.
The whole issue with London is that, from the moment that they achieved promotion, regardless of any money spent, any on field or off field progress made, they were certainties for relegation.
In a sense, they would have been better off not gaining promotion.
The secondary point is that, throughout the SL era, we have often heard how much the comp needs a club in London etc.
The reality is that, through the composition of the IMG criteria, London have actually been excluded from the top flight and the question comes back to do those running the sport want a London Club in the top flight ?

Following their relegation and with Eccles now gone, it's unlikely that they will ever return to the top flight and they may struggle to survive at all.

Is this what people wanted and how does this fit with the IMG tagline of "reimagining Rugby League" ?


And your laying the decision, accountability and responsibility for London not being a top flight club at the RFL? It seems like you’re suggesting that the RFL should in fact treat London different and coach them up to SL.

Not imo and London should have nothing that the rest of the clubs get in terms of support or otherwise. The RFL should be nuetral and shouldn’t be wanting any team in the superleague above another. How you link that to failing their ‘reimagining rugby league’ is beyond me.

London are where they deserve to be and If they want to change that it should be under their own steam.






Top six 2005 - Trinity.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Other Championship Clubs
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:40 am 
Club Captain
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Jun 13 2018
Posts: 3154
Location: Behind the Sticks
Trojan Horse wrote:And your laying the decision, accountability and responsibility for London not being a top flight club at the RFL? It seems like you’re suggesting that the RFL should in fact treat London different and coach them up to SL.

Not imo and London should have nothing that the rest of the clubs get in terms of support or otherwise. The RFL should be nuetral and shouldn’t be wanting any team in the superleague above another. How you link that to failing their ‘reimagining rugby league’ is beyond me.

London are where they deserve to be and If they want to change that it should be under their own steam.


Totally agree.






We're all Trin aren't we?

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Other Championship Clubs
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2024 11:58 am 
Fringe Player
Fringe Player

Joined: Jun 09 2023
Posts: 610

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Other Championship Clubs
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2024 12:41 pm 
Club Coach
Club Coach
User avatar

Joined: Apr 24 2011
Posts: 17989
PopTart wrote:Then you aren't agreeing with me.

I'm saying rather than saying I won't put money in because I'm not in SL, the backer should have put money in the right places based on IMG and guaranteed SL for London.


Do you actually think that from the point where the new criteria was announced that London could get all of their ducks in a row and achieve and A grade ?
Yes, that could have done things differently and maybe they should have.

However, the net result is that not only have they been relegated but, in hacking off their millionaire backer, as a sport, "we" have killed off pro RL in the Capital.
Is this what the RFL, SL and IMG wanted to achieve ?

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Other Championship Clubs
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2024 12:51 pm 
Club Coach
Club Coach
User avatar

Joined: Apr 24 2011
Posts: 17989
Trojan Horse wrote:And your laying the decision, accountability and responsibility for London not being a top flight club at the RFL? It seems like you’re suggesting that the RFL should in fact treat London different and coach them up to SL.

Not imo and London should have nothing that the rest of the clubs get in terms of support or otherwise. The RFL should be nuetral and shouldn’t be wanting any team in the superleague above another. How you link that to failing their ‘reimagining rugby league’ is beyond me.

London are where they deserve to be and If they want to change that it should be under their own steam.


Clearly the new IMG system (an organisation employed by The RFL) has created a set of criteria that, in the time scale given, made it impossible for certain clubs (London included) to achieve a sufficiently high grading to become/remain in SL so, in essence, either deliberately or in consequence, this falls on their lap.
Fundamentally, relegating a promoted club, before a ball is passed / kicked is just wrong.
Given the pre determined timescales, there was nothing that London could do to remain in the top flight, which stinks the house out.
The same situation would have occurred if any of the other smaller Champ clubs had been promoted last season, not just London.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Other Championship Clubs
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2024 1:07 pm 
Moderator
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Oct 04 2008
Posts: 21343
Location: wakefield
wrencat1873 wrote:Do you actually think that from the point where the new criteria was announced that London could get all of their ducks in a row and achieve and A grade ?
Yes, that could have done things differently and maybe they should have.

However, the net result is that not only have they been relegated but, in hacking off their millionaire backer, as a sport, "we" have killed off pro RL in the Capital.
Is this what the RFL, SL and IMG wanted to achieve ?


Not at all. I'm just saying if he's a millionaire and wants a SL team in London, he needs to invest in the IMG targets, rather than moaning that the rules don't suit him and taking his money out.






A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker - Buddha

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Other Championship Clubs
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2024 1:10 pm 
Moderator
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Oct 04 2008
Posts: 21343
Location: wakefield
wrencat1873 wrote:Clearly the new IMG system (an organisation employed by The RFL) has created a set of criteria that, in the time scale given, made it impossible for certain clubs (London included) to achieve a sufficiently high grading to become/remain in SL so, in essence, either deliberately or in consequence, this falls on their lap.
Fundamentally, relegating a promoted club, before a ball is passed / kicked is just wrong.
Given the pre determined timescales, there was nothing that London could do to remain in the top flight, which stinks the house out.
The same situation would have occurred if any of the other smaller Champ clubs had been promoted last season, not just London.


But they knew at the same time as everyone else.
We managed it.
If they leave it to the last minute then yes, they don't have time and need to have a plan over more than one season.






A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker - Buddha

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Other Championship Clubs
PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2024 1:35 pm 
Club Coach
Club Coach
User avatar

Joined: Apr 24 2011
Posts: 17989
PopTart wrote:But they knew at the same time as everyone else.
We managed it.
If they leave it to the last minute then yes, they don't have time and need to have a plan over more than one season.


With respect PT, we started some way in front of them.
Critically, the measure is over a 3 year period but, clubs have had less than two years to comply.
Therefore, if your scores are miles adrift to start with, there is no possibility of rectifying things.

Ultimately, I'm more concerned with Trinity and how we progress, rather than any other club.

The demise of London just doesn't sit well and in a few years time when people are bemoaning the fact that RL is a "norther sport, played along the M62 corridor", they may look back with a different view.

Let's face it, each change that we've had to our structure over the past 30+ years, with the possible exception of SL itself, has pretty much ended in failure.

Let's hope this one works.

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 418 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42  Next





It is currently Tue Feb 18, 2025 1:23 am


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Spookisback, westgaterunner and 83 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron

It is currently Tue Feb 18, 2025 1:23 am
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
The Bench - Kris Radlinski
MAC25
4
40m
New Screen
Bent&Bon
13
Recent
Superleague
The Reaper
21
Recent
Salford Supermarket Sweep
Bent&Bon
92
Recent
Leeds v Wakefield
Once were Lo
187
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
3096
Recent
Catalans Away - 14th Feb
Jake the Peg
346
Recent
Wigan Warriors - Home
Jake the Peg
25
Recent
Game - Song Titles
BOSS HOG
41748
Recent
Film game
karetaker
7862
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
karetaker
65119
Recent
Amateur Rugby in Bradford
Bulls Boy 20
98
Recent
RL fans on mobiles
ALAW
46
Recent
Super League Prediction Competition
katevans11
2
Recent
Todays match v Giants
ninearches
102
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1s
Game - Song Titles
BOSS HOG
41748
2s
BORED The Band Name Game
karetaker
65119
9s
The Bench - Kris Radlinski
MAC25
4
14s
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
3096
14s
TV Games - Not Hull
mwindass
3296
16s
Rumours and signings v9
endoman
29252
18s
Bradford
Deadcowboys1
44
20s
Wigan Warriors - Home
Jake the Peg
25
24s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
B0NES
5050
27s
Superleague
The Reaper
21
28s
Film game
karetaker
7862
32s
Social Media
Dr Dreadnoug
33
32s
Leeds away first up
BarnsleyGull
455
51s
Salford
karetaker
176
55s
Next week v Fev
Victor
5
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Vs Warrington
Murphy
2
TODAY
Who is available
Droopy
4
TODAY
2025 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 2
FoxyRhino
2
TODAY
The Bench - Kris Radlinski
MAC25
4
TODAY
Other Championship Teams
Pyrah123
4
TODAY
Pele
Pyrah123
3
TODAY
lilley
paulwalker71
6
TODAY
Huddersfield H
RugbyEgg
1
TODAY
Wigan Warriors - Home
Jake the Peg
25
TODAY
Goole Vikings
Rugby Raider
5
TODAY
Next week v Fev
Victor
5
TODAY
Warrington Wolves Off To A Winning Start Over the Huddersfield Giants
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Ronan Michael podcast
Bullseye
1
TODAY
Superleague
The Reaper
21
TODAY
Todays match v Giants
ninearches
102
TODAY
Salford
Another Cas
16
TODAY
Stats thread
Shifty Cat
4
TODAY
IMG
Deadcowboys1
6
TODAY
St Helens Record Highest Winning Margin In Super League As They Thrash Salford
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Next round of Challenge Cup
Bully_Boxer
3
TODAY
Challenge cup draw
Big lads mat
12
TODAY
Challenge Cup 2025 - Fourth Round Draw
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Warrington Wolves Off To A Win..
269
St Helens Record Highest Winni..
415
Challenge Cup 2025 - Fourth Ro..
710
Wakefield Trinity Mark Return ..
485
Hull FC Start Season With Big ..
296
Leigh Leopards Win Golden Poin..
558
Bradford Bulls Spring Cup Shoc..
775
Hull FC Overcome Brave York Ac..
770
Easy Cup Progress For The Rhin..
823
Easy For Hull KR against Valia..
750
Betfred Super League Season Se..
971
Thirteen Try York Knights Set ..
940
Comfortable Ash Handley Testim..
1583
Workington Town Set Up Leigh L..
1369
Historic Goole Vikings Win Ove..
1432
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield - St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington - Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
Sun 16th Feb
SL 1 Huddersfield12-20Warrington
CH 1 Bradford20-6LondonB
CH 1 Featherstone22-4Doncaster
CH 1 Oldham50-4York
CH 1 Sheffield14-28Halifax
CH 1 Barrow36-12Hunslet
1895 0 Goole V26-18Crusaders
1895 0 Workington10-18Dewsbury
1895 0 Rochdale18-16Swinton
1895 0 Keighley7-6Midlands
Sat 15th Feb
SL1 Leeds12-14Wakefield
SL 1 St.Helens82-0Salford
CH 1 Toulouse14-18Widnes
Fri 14th Feb
SL 1 Hull KR19-18Castleford
SL 1 Catalans4-24Hull FC
Thu 13th Feb
SL 1 Wigan0-1Leigh
Sun 9th Feb
CC2025 3 Bradford18-16Castleford
CC2025 3 Featherstone68-0Ince R
CC2025 3 Hunslet6-34Huddersfield
CC2025 3 Midlands10-46Salford
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
2m
The Bench - Kris Radlinski
MAC25
4
40m
New Screen
Bent&Bon
13
Recent
Superleague
The Reaper
21
Recent
Salford Supermarket Sweep
Bent&Bon
92
Recent
Leeds v Wakefield
Once were Lo
187
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
3096
Recent
Catalans Away - 14th Feb
Jake the Peg
346
Recent
Wigan Warriors - Home
Jake the Peg
25
Recent
Game - Song Titles
BOSS HOG
41748
Recent
Film game
karetaker
7862
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
karetaker
65119
Recent
Amateur Rugby in Bradford
Bulls Boy 20
98
Recent
RL fans on mobiles
ALAW
46
Recent
Super League Prediction Competition
katevans11
2
Recent
Todays match v Giants
ninearches
102
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1s
Game - Song Titles
BOSS HOG
41748
2s
BORED The Band Name Game
karetaker
65119
9s
The Bench - Kris Radlinski
MAC25
4
14s
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
3096
14s
TV Games - Not Hull
mwindass
3296
16s
Rumours and signings v9
endoman
29252
18s
Bradford
Deadcowboys1
44
20s
Wigan Warriors - Home
Jake the Peg
25
24s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
B0NES
5050
27s
Superleague
The Reaper
21
28s
Film game
karetaker
7862
32s
Social Media
Dr Dreadnoug
33
32s
Leeds away first up
BarnsleyGull
455
51s
Salford
karetaker
176
55s
Next week v Fev
Victor
5
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Vs Warrington
Murphy
2
TODAY
Who is available
Droopy
4
TODAY
2025 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 2
FoxyRhino
2
TODAY
The Bench - Kris Radlinski
MAC25
4
TODAY
Other Championship Teams
Pyrah123
4
TODAY
Pele
Pyrah123
3
TODAY
lilley
paulwalker71
6
TODAY
Huddersfield H
RugbyEgg
1
TODAY
Wigan Warriors - Home
Jake the Peg
25
TODAY
Goole Vikings
Rugby Raider
5
TODAY
Next week v Fev
Victor
5
TODAY
Warrington Wolves Off To A Winning Start Over the Huddersfield Giants
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Ronan Michael podcast
Bullseye
1
TODAY
Superleague
The Reaper
21
TODAY
Todays match v Giants
ninearches
102
TODAY
Salford
Another Cas
16
TODAY
Stats thread
Shifty Cat
4
TODAY
IMG
Deadcowboys1
6
TODAY
St Helens Record Highest Winning Margin In Super League As They Thrash Salford
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Next round of Challenge Cup
Bully_Boxer
3
TODAY
Challenge cup draw
Big lads mat
12
TODAY
Challenge Cup 2025 - Fourth Round Draw
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Warrington Wolves Off To A Win..
269
St Helens Record Highest Winni..
415
Challenge Cup 2025 - Fourth Ro..
710
Wakefield Trinity Mark Return ..
485
Hull FC Start Season With Big ..
296
Leigh Leopards Win Golden Poin..
558
Bradford Bulls Spring Cup Shoc..
775
Hull FC Overcome Brave York Ac..
770
Easy Cup Progress For The Rhin..
823
Easy For Hull KR against Valia..
750
Betfred Super League Season Se..
971
Thirteen Try York Knights Set ..
940
Comfortable Ash Handley Testim..
1583
Workington Town Set Up Leigh L..
1369
Historic Goole Vikings Win Ove..
1432


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.