And if BA doesn’t stay that brings it’s own issues, I’m still not convinced it will turn out to be a good move if he just goes back to Aus with us failing to make the playoffs.

Depressingly correct.

If this is still the narrative maybe we should eat some humble pie and go cap in hand and ask one of either Hkr or Warrington how they managed to turn their projects around in two seasons and practically overnight in Warrington's case?

In Warringtons case I think there’s been an element of luck, the Burgess appointment could have gone either way it was a gamble, what wasn’t a gamble on their behalf was appointing some very good assistants to help Burgess.

Hull KR have had a long term strategy since they got relegated, and despite their good season they haven’t actually won anything just yet, although I don’t think it will be too long before that changes.

If BA decides to stay I can easily see us turning the corner pretty quickly as I think he is the right style of coach for where we are, and if we are using Warrington as an example it doesn’t need wholesale changes to the squad, just some shrewd additions

The problem is, as you said yourself, the players we have are not Brad Arthur style players. We don’t have a dominant pack.

No amouht of pre-season work is going to make a pack containing Goudemand, Bentley, O’Connor, Sangare etc a fearsome one. We need to smell the roses at Leeds: our players aren’t as good as we think they are or they think they are. 7th is about right this year; i.e there are 6 better teams than us in the comp. We need both better coaching and better players to coach, otherwise we will be round and round the washing machine of mediocrity interminably.

A club the size and wealth shouldn't need to be in a long term project 9 years after the demise of the core of the golden generation - how much patience and a level of understanding does that need.

It didn't happen at Wigan and it wont take Saints that long to rebuild - why has it taken so long and it will be potentially another 3 years!!

I agree im not sticking up for the club, quite the opposite

We will add to the squad though

I think patience is needed,sadly after 9 years of (often predictable) bad choices in recruitment of players and coaches the fans have little of that left.

BA if he stays has the qualities we need and I'm sure will want to fix the pack as soon as contract allows. However that still takes time for those on contract and we are stick with Goudemand, Sangare and questions over the value of Holroyd and Bentley + questions on Gannon and concussion issues.

I don't think the squad is as bad as it looks but the lack of go forward frustrates us and we start to panic and push the silly plays / try too hard.Then having no leaders means we domt settle or recover into hard work but go harder on miracle plays.

We need BA or a similar level coach. We need at least one prop and one back row of V high quality. Preferably two.
We also need to find a way to get some leadership / brains in.

Honestly, I think even with an amazing coach and above signings the best we can hope for is making the play offs.
Won't be until the 26" season that the new guy will have the cap freedom and contracts ending to have "his" team his way.

The problem is without knowing who the coach is going to be how do you attract the quality of player you need to move forward. Leeds isn't the draw it used to be - do we do what we have done for several years over pay for very average players?

When is the academy going to produce the quality of youngsters the like of Wigan and Saints have been producing for many years - in yesterday's game only 5 players came through the academy and only one of them Edgell has come through in the last 5 years that is an appalling reflection of the junior set up at Leeds