FORUMS FORUMS




  
 Current LIVE TV Match : Huddersfield Giants - Warrington Wolves Latest

Home Wigan Warriors Wigan academy products



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 18 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Wigan academy products
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2024 6:06 pm 
Club Captain
Fringe Player
User avatar

Joined: Aug 02 2019
Posts: 928
Captain Hook wrote:Genuine question, would Matty Nicholson be in Wigan’s 1st 13 if everyone was fit? I ask because my understanding was he left you because he thought his 1 st team chances were better with us (Wire), he certainly seems to be developing into the player you thought he would.
With regard to Max Wood, he was released by you and picked up after training with us, presumably Burgess saw something in him and he definitely hasn’t disgraced himself when he has played 1st team. What was the thinking in letting him go? Have you got a lot of highly rated young props coming through (if so can you name them please…Signed S Burgess)


My understanding was it was around the time we had faz, Isa for the second row spot plus Nsemba coming through. We then had Bateman at 13 and other young lads coming through, he mustn’t of seen a way in at the time. I think Nicholson was definitely in the plans to take over as Peet in that video seems a bit peed off with him going. I do think however Walter and Nsemba are both good prospects and certainly Walters is better than Nicholson. Max wood going to be honest hadn’t heard of him before the left but from what I’ve seen does look decent. Props think there are few good lads coming through the ranks but I do think Warrington need to start backing there own a bit more

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Wigan academy products
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:39 am 
Junior Player
Junior Player

Joined: Nov 28 2023
Posts: 199
Captain Hook wrote:Genuine question, would Matty Nicholson be in Wigan’s 1st 13 if everyone was fit? I ask because my understanding was he left you because he thought his 1 st team chances were better with us (Wire), he certainly seems to be developing into the player you thought he would.
With regard to Max Wood, he was released by you and picked up after training with us, presumably Burgess saw something in him and he definitely hasn’t disgraced himself when he has played 1st team. What was the thinking in letting him go? Have you got a lot of highly rated young props coming through (if so can you name them please…Signed S Burgess)


he probably wouldnt be a 1st team starter at the minute as Matty Peet likes Farrell and Isa, and Nsemba is just getting more game time now due to Isa injury

when he left i know the club were disappointed but equally you cant knock a lad if he thinks he's good enough (and i think Wire were offering more than Wigan). At the time he was quite a bit down the pecking order Farrell, Isa, Smithies, KPP, Bateman. We've since lost 3 of those players to the NRL and 2 are probably going to retire this season and next season. His chance would have come throughout this season, but he would have had to be patient and on a lesser salary

I posted recently on a thread on the wire board (think it was about Lucas Green), that unfortunately we cant keep them all happy and both Wire and Leeds have benefitted from 2 young 2nd row forwards who would have made 1st team, but wanted regular 1st team game time now. its disappointing but equally you cant knock the lads if they can get 1st team / better money as its a short career

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Wigan academy products
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 10:34 am 
Player Coach
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Nov 19 2006
Posts: 5519
It's a tough one and no one other than the coaching staff could say with any real authority. My own take on him is that he's good but not special whereas both Nsemba and Walters have it in them to be special. They are a level above in terms of potential.

at the time he left he was behind established internationals in Faz and Bateman and future internationals in KPP and Smithies who are both ripping it up in the NRL now so it's understandable that he chose to leave when he did. It doesn't seem to have worked out too badly for him so he probably made the right decision.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Wigan academy products
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:24 am 
International Board Member
International Board Member
User avatar

Joined: Nov 08 2004
Posts: 29897
Location: WIGAN
I rate Nicholson extremely highly. He'd be a regular starter here now IMO and we may not have signed Walters had he stayed. He hasn't got the natural size of Nsemba and Walters but he's big enough and has a great engine. He's the sort of lad who would go great alongside a Walters or Nsemba and bring a nice balance. He could've replaced Smithies as well, so I do think he's been a loss to the club but we've done unbelievably well to get ourselves in the position we have at the same time as losing him, Smithies and KPP. It shows just how good the production line is at the club that we can not only support our own club but prop up others as well and still keep on competing at the top end.

In terms of Max Wood, he was just behind too many players by the looks of things. I'm glad he's got sorted out at Wire and looks to be doing well.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Wigan academy products
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:46 pm 
First Team Player
First Team Player

Joined: Jun 04 2022
Posts: 2372
I think that Nicky’s summary hits the nail on the head. Just a couple of things I would add, I believe Nicholson will play for England and secondly Warrington will have to pay him big money if they wish to retain him. When he moved to Wire, Wigan could not compete with the salary he was offered. His agent is an astute guy.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Wigan academy products
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:05 pm 
Player Coach
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Nov 19 2006
Posts: 5519
I think this is where we differ. Whilst I'm not saying that he won't play for England, I very much doubt he'll be an England regular. That's no slight on his ability as the same could be said for Faz. I just think there's too much ahead of him and, again in a similar way to how Faz has found it hard to cement a place at international level, I feel Nicholson will face similar difficulties. There's already Bateman, Bachelor, Knowles, Radley, Smithies, KPP among others ahead of him and I don't think it will be long before the likes of Walters and Nsemba join them. With the limited number of international games I think it's a big ask to push himself ahead of so many.

As always with these things, it's just an opinion of course.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Wigan academy products
PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:15 pm 
International Chairman
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Jul 30 2002
Posts: 2913
Location: Wigan
First time this season watching a Huddersfield game last night, and Rushton was very impressive. Nicholson has always been good and pretty steady when I've seen him but Rushton looks a real prospect.






I've seen them bomb a quarter final, bottle a semi final, finish as league leaders, but I've still, never, seen the Wire win the league
Doom and gloom, doom and gloom

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Wigan academy products
PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:57 am 
Moderator
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Jun 01 2007
Posts: 12672
Location: Leicestershire.
In response to the OP, I’ve long thought the Academy system as a whole is broken. However, in a “don’t hate the player, hate the game” style, I think it is a systemic issue. The red flashing light is that the language around this is always about “clamping down” (or similar) on the clubs that produce few players - that eagerness to reach for the stick feels like a tacit admission that the carrot is pretty tiny for most clubs.

As unproductive as it has been in modern times, most Hull KR fans love our academy and continue to pin a lot of hope on it. So, I am speaking very much as a minority of one in wishing the club had seen the initial loss of our academy licence a few years ago as a chance to do something radically different… even allowing for the loss of funding.






'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 18 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2





It is currently Sun Feb 16, 2025 3:12 pm


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: apollosghost, ColD, endoman, Fujiman, Google Feedfetcher, TKOR and 156 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Sun Feb 16, 2025 3:12 pm
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
leeds owl
3085
5m
Leeds v Wakefield
Jack Burton
158
7m
Salford
Trojan Horse
7
10m
Squad for Giants
Or thane
27
10m
TV Games - Not Hull
WIZEB
3278
11m
Todays match v Giants
Wires71
14
21m
Leeds away first up
wotsupcas
402
27m
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Huddersfield Away
rubber ducki
18
30m
Superleague
karetaker
10
44m
Bradford
Deadcowboys1
33
48m
Challenge cup draw
BarnsleyGull
11
55m
Ronan Michael podcast
Bullseye
1
58m
Film game
karetaker
7790
59m
BORED The Band Name Game
karetaker
65051
59m
Game - Song Titles
Cokey
41726
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
0s
Squad for Giants
Or thane
27
3s
Leeds v Wakefield
Jack Burton
158
3s
TV Games - Not Hull
WIZEB
3278
5s
Bradford
Deadcowboys1
33
8s
Todays match v Giants
Wires71
14
14s
Salford Supermarket Sweep
satanicmills
86
15s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Dave K.
5045
18s
Transfer Talk V5
Once were Lo
873
21s
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
leeds owl
3085
23s
Sky coverage
karetaker
22
23s
Challenge Cup draw
karetaker
6
24s
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
The Reaper
3205
25s
Film game
karetaker
7790
29s
Salford
Trojan Horse
7
33s
Catalans Away - 14th Feb
Armavinit
315
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Ronan Michael podcast
Bullseye
1
TODAY
Superleague
karetaker
10
TODAY
Todays match v Giants
Wires71
14
TODAY
Salford
Trojan Horse
7
TODAY
Stats thread
PopTart
1
TODAY
IMG
Deadcowboys1
6
TODAY
St Helens Record Highest Winning Margin In Super League As They Thrash Salford
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Next round of Challenge Cup
Bully_Boxer
3
TODAY
Challenge cup draw
BarnsleyGull
11
TODAY
Challenge Cup 2025 - Fourth Round Draw
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Wakefield Trinity Mark Return To Top Flight With Opening Win Over the Leeds Rhinos
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
St Helens Record Highest Winni..
263
Challenge Cup 2025 - Fourth Ro..
583
Wakefield Trinity Mark Return ..
392
Hull FC Start Season With Big ..
205
Leigh Leopards Win Golden Poin..
427
Bradford Bulls Spring Cup Shoc..
718
Hull FC Overcome Brave York Ac..
705
Easy Cup Progress For The Rhin..
754
Easy For Hull KR against Valia..
692
Betfred Super League Season Se..
909
Thirteen Try York Knights Set ..
893
Comfortable Ash Handley Testim..
1529
Workington Town Set Up Leigh L..
1319
Historic Goole Vikings Win Ove..
1375
Thatto Heath Hold On To Set Up..
1552
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield - St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington - Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Sat 15th Feb
SL1 Leeds12-14Wakefield
SL 1 St.Helens82-0Salford
CH 1 Toulouse14-18Widnes
Fri 14th Feb
SL 1 Hull KR19-18Castleford
SL 1 Catalans4-24Hull FC
Thu 13th Feb
SL 1 Wigan0-1Leigh
Sun 9th Feb
CC2025 3 Bradford18-16Castleford
CC2025 3 Featherstone68-0Ince R
CC2025 3 Hunslet6-34Huddersfield
CC2025 3 Midlands10-46Salford
CC2025 3 Batley24-4Dewsbury
CC2025 3 Crusaders20-26Widnes
CC2025 3 Oldham42-4Barrow
Sat 8th Feb
CC20253 Goole V0-82Wakefield
CC2025 3 Halifax0-14Catalans
CC2025 3 Whitehaven4-44Warrington
CC2025 3 York A6-52Hull FC
CC2025 3 West Hull0-38St.Helens
CC2025 3 Leeds92-0WEST W
Fri 7th Feb
CC2025 3 Sheffield12-48Wigan
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
leeds owl
3085
5m
Leeds v Wakefield
Jack Burton
158
7m
Salford
Trojan Horse
7
10m
Squad for Giants
Or thane
27
10m
TV Games - Not Hull
WIZEB
3278
11m
Todays match v Giants
Wires71
14
21m
Leeds away first up
wotsupcas
402
27m
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Huddersfield Away
rubber ducki
18
30m
Superleague
karetaker
10
44m
Bradford
Deadcowboys1
33
48m
Challenge cup draw
BarnsleyGull
11
55m
Ronan Michael podcast
Bullseye
1
58m
Film game
karetaker
7790
59m
BORED The Band Name Game
karetaker
65051
59m
Game - Song Titles
Cokey
41726
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
0s
Squad for Giants
Or thane
27
3s
Leeds v Wakefield
Jack Burton
158
3s
TV Games - Not Hull
WIZEB
3278
5s
Bradford
Deadcowboys1
33
8s
Todays match v Giants
Wires71
14
14s
Salford Supermarket Sweep
satanicmills
86
15s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Dave K.
5045
18s
Transfer Talk V5
Once were Lo
873
21s
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
leeds owl
3085
23s
Sky coverage
karetaker
22
23s
Challenge Cup draw
karetaker
6
24s
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
The Reaper
3205
25s
Film game
karetaker
7790
29s
Salford
Trojan Horse
7
33s
Catalans Away - 14th Feb
Armavinit
315
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Ronan Michael podcast
Bullseye
1
TODAY
Superleague
karetaker
10
TODAY
Todays match v Giants
Wires71
14
TODAY
Salford
Trojan Horse
7
TODAY
Stats thread
PopTart
1
TODAY
IMG
Deadcowboys1
6
TODAY
St Helens Record Highest Winning Margin In Super League As They Thrash Salford
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Next round of Challenge Cup
Bully_Boxer
3
TODAY
Challenge cup draw
BarnsleyGull
11
TODAY
Challenge Cup 2025 - Fourth Round Draw
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Wakefield Trinity Mark Return To Top Flight With Opening Win Over the Leeds Rhinos
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
St Helens Record Highest Winni..
263
Challenge Cup 2025 - Fourth Ro..
583
Wakefield Trinity Mark Return ..
392
Hull FC Start Season With Big ..
205
Leigh Leopards Win Golden Poin..
427
Bradford Bulls Spring Cup Shoc..
718
Hull FC Overcome Brave York Ac..
705
Easy Cup Progress For The Rhin..
754
Easy For Hull KR against Valia..
692
Betfred Super League Season Se..
909
Thirteen Try York Knights Set ..
893
Comfortable Ash Handley Testim..
1529
Workington Town Set Up Leigh L..
1319
Historic Goole Vikings Win Ove..
1375
Thatto Heath Hold On To Set Up..
1552


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.