Joined: May 02 2010 Posts: 1447 Location: Playing League on The Close
Just arrived home after another 5 hour round trip.
Three positives today, Jack Charles, Logan Moy and the weather.
Well after the ‘Project’ and ‘Culture’ being spouted, Tony now mentioning ‘Taste’. For me, all three are awful. It only took 55 seconds to concede a try today. Other than the 10 minute bright patch immediately after, to be 10-40 down at half time to an average Huddersfield team is embarrassing.
That’s 4 successive thrashings now. Tony says we have to work hard in training. Well when are you going to start Tony, because we’ve been under cooked for a season and a half now? If he doesn’t resign, he is stealing a wage.
Joined: Jan 30 2004 Posts: 8161 Location: Never never land away with the fairies
mosher wrote:100% Wilf. I'm convinced AP is trying to claw back as much of his investment and will then bail. He lied to us all by stating we were spending up to the cap, when clearly we are not. 8k members bought that lie.
The kids won't save us, as talented as some of them are, they are probably two years away from SL starting spots. The seasons dead, can't see us winning five games.
Its depressing, I think back to 2016/17 and the Sydney trip, some of my best times supporting FC in 43 years, we have gone backwards every year since then. The ill discipline in the team on the pitch is dreadful and that comes from the coaching team. How on earth can you compete in a game with 12 men for 30 minutes?
I see nothing other than languishing in the lower reaches of Super League for the next few years until we lose our place to a club with ambitions.
Pretty much on the money there. I actually can’t see us winning a game from now until the end of the season, let’s face it we were unbelievably lucky that London snatched defeat from the jaws a victory or we’d deservedly be on 0 pts.
There is no heart or desire out there and certainly little if any organisation or leadership.
The club is in a terminal decline sadly and it would appear Pearson isn’t interested in righting the ship.
Smacks of the bad days of uncle Kath who milked the club and fans for all she could for her and the shareholders. Makes you wonder why Pearson seems to decline the offers of investment despite him saying he otherwise. Quite frankly I’ve lost all respect for Pearson as he’s blatantly mislead fans to part with money and for what? To watch a team that is barely championship quality and refuses to communicate or even acknowledge the fans.
I love the club but enough is enough and blind loyalty has finally run out for me. It’s the dishonesty that is the killer blow above everything.
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Joined: Sep 04 2005 Posts: 1098 Location: In the land of wishful thinking once more. Patiently waiting for our time to finally arrive.
Dave K. wrote:Honestly think the club are done, won't be long until we are similar to Bradford, will only get worse, no money, so squad won't improve, many fans won't renew.
Bradford, Widnes and Halifax have all been RL Champions since our last title success (obviously we have had other cup success since) and all three have been languishing in the second-tier for a number of years, seemingly going nowhere very slowly.
It has happened before, a club sliding from grace, there is no reason why it can't happen again (either to ourselves or someone else) if circumstances conspire that way.
Personally, I think we either remain as a SL club or we cease to exist, at least as in our current incarnation. I have major doubts that we could stay a viable concern outside of SL in our current guise. It increasingly feels to me that we are at a crossroads with the continued existence of the club at stake.
We may survive, we may not. I would put our chances of staying in existence by the end of the decade as no more than 50/50 unless there are major changes with the way the club is being run.
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Joined: May 02 2010 Posts: 1447 Location: Playing League on The Close
Ligi Sao showed exactly what is wrong with the club’s culture today.
I was sat in the West Stand and at the end of the game I stayed behind to applaud Jack Charles and Logan May’s efforts. They were the last two coming off the pitch, graciously thanking the fans.
Then up the touchline walks Ligi Sao, after briefly seeing his family (no problem with that), he starts laughing and joking with a fan.
What an utter disgrace! Your team has just been thrashed again, 22-56 at home, you’ve received two yellow cards (3rd and 4th of the season) and you are laughing? You should be ashamed of yourself, you’ve just let your team mates, club and fans down and you obviously don’t give a s**t! You should be hurting, be ashamed and embarrassed, but instead you decide to have a laugh.
For me, that was a foul on Jake, the one that no one is mentioning is the immediate response by Sao that looked like a punch in the tackle on the Huddersfield player who received the pass. The second sin bin was rightly deserved too.
He’ll no doubt pick up yet another ban and presumably still expect to pick up his wages. This is a repetitive theme from Sao and he obviously doesn’t care about the Club or the fans that help pay his contract. That’s part of the cultural problem and after seeing him laughing, I’d be happy never to see him in a Hull shirt again.
BP1 wrote:Bradford, Widnes and Halifax have all been RL Champions since our last title success (obviously we have had other cup success since) and all three have been languishing in the second-tier for a number of years, seemingly going nowhere very slowly.
It has happened before, a club sliding from grace, there is no reason why it can't happen again (either to ourselves or someone else) if circumstances conspire that way.
Personally, I think we either remain as a SL club or we cease to exist, at least as in our current incarnation. I have major doubts that we could stay a viable concern outside of SL in our current guise. It increasingly feels to me that we are at a crossroads with the continued existence of the club at stake.
We may survive, we may not. I would put our chances of staying in existence by the end of the decade as no more than 50/50 unless there are major changes with the way the club is being run.
The problem is the stadium, its not affordable at Championship level so there's not the option of doing what Wakefield are doing right now had a clearout, regrouping and hoping to come back to SL stronger. And given Hull is isoloated in location theres not even a stadium we could move to short term to keep us ticking over.
That said the IMG system may still keep us alive. Even with a drop off of passholders and finshing bottom each year, SL are likely to still keep us in as there isnt a queue of strong alternatives in the Championship ready to replace us. Fev havs money problems and are in a small populated area, Odsal is a noose round Bradford's neck, the game is increasingly concerned about travel costs to France etc
The one thing that will keep the club going & attract ownership is US, the loyal & numerous fanbase.
However....... it is really tough to watch repeated defeats. The manner of them is frankly staggering - we aren't beginning to compete in the games, much less look like taking a game into the last quarter in touch, massive improvements needed to actually win again.
It is actually painful & depressing, not how I want to spend my weekends or money.
Men against boys today, just unfair on them. Charles does look a prospect, took some heavy blows today but came back for more. As others have said, the best will get poached by more successful clubs with cash to spend,
I do see effort. more than most on here BUT the defence is shambolic, most of their tries were walk ins & scored with complete ease. How hard can it be to keep a line intact & actually make a tackle stick ??
Green shoots ? struggling to see any without major investment & major changes on & off the pitch.
Rugby Raider wrote:Ligi Sao showed exactly what is wrong with the club’s culture today.
I was sat in the West Stand and at the end of the game I stayed behind to applaud Jack Charles and Logan May’s efforts. They were the last two coming off the pitch, graciously thanking the fans.
Then up the touchline walks Ligi Sao, after briefly seeing his family (no problem with that), he starts laughing and joking with a fan.
What an utter disgrace! Your team has just been thrashed again, 22-56 at home, you’ve received two yellow cards (3rd and 4th of the season) and you are laughing? You should be ashamed of yourself, you’ve just let your team mates, club and fans down and you obviously don’t give a s**t! You should be hurting, be ashamed and embarrassed, but instead you decide to have a laugh.
For me, that was a foul on Jake, the one that no one is mentioning is the immediate response by Sao that looked like a punch in the tackle on the Huddersfield player who received the pass. The second sin bin was rightly deserved too.
He’ll no doubt pick up yet another ban and presumably still expect to pick up his wages. This is a repetitive theme from Sao and he obviously doesn’t care about the Club or the fans that help pay his contract. That’s part of the cultural problem and after seeing him laughing, I’d be happy never to see him in a Hull shirt again.
The fans deserve better.
Unfortunately, that’s all it it to most of them, a laugh and a joke, it is going to make my blood boil over the next week seeing them plaster photos all over social media on the booze whilst sunning it up somewhere in the med.
UllFC wrote:The problem is the stadium, its not affordable at Championship level so there's not the option of doing what Wakefield are doing right now had a clearout, regrouping and hoping to come back to SL stronger. And given Hull is isoloated in location theres not even a stadium we could move to short term to keep us ticking over.
That said the IMG system may still keep us alive. Even with a drop off of passholders and finshing bottom each year, SL are likely to still keep us in as there isnt a queue of strong alternatives in the Championship ready to replace us. Fev havs money problems and are in a small populated area, Odsal is a noose round Bradford's neck, the game is increasingly concerned about travel costs to France etc
Make no mistake about it we will not survive in the Championship because we will have no where to play. We'll never afford the Stadium under the current terms never mind the new contract due in three years. The club has always known under the old relegation format that we would never survive being relegated. We were told that at a fans forum years ago and again just before covid.
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HU8HFC wrote:Unfortunately, that’s all it it to most of them, a laugh and a joke, it is going to make my blood boil over the next week seeing them plaster photos all over social media on the booze whilst sunning it up somewhere in the med.
I dont know any of the squad personally and admittedly the times I see them out and about its on their 'down time' but when I have seen them over the last few years they come across like giggling schoolboys.
Ive not read Ellis' book yet but someone told me he comments that there is a bad 'banter' culture at the club.
think its quite clear Pearson is trying to claw back money for himself,,,before the season started we was told the club had signed the biggest sponsorrship deal and shirt deal irrc, add to the 8000 pass holders and merchandise sales of replica shirts alone, (the covid loan could have been cleared from any of those surely?).
Then move onto the playing squad, 12 departures at the end of last season including the 2 during, a few big earners on that list too i would assume, Taylor, Shaul, Satae, Griffin, Swift, Evans and Clifford with 7 new faces coming in, now if Pearson is claiming we are upto cap.....then he is either lying, which we all know he probably is, or the DJ needs sacking off for giving out ludricous contracts!
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