The Reaper wrote:Am I missing something? I said I can see plenty of improvement in both sides did I not?
You said you thought there was similar room for improvement in both teams. I didn't see you playing with 12 men unless I missed it. By that reasoning Salford can improve as much as you the next time you meet. Do you think that's the case?
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JonB95 wrote:Is this forum completely unmoderated these days? How is this post still here?
Go and take your sensitivity somewhere else.
I'm sorry that I'm not a ref sh@gger like loads on here. Kendall is a see you next Tuesday of the highest order. In fact I'd go as far as to say he's a criminal.
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JonB95 wrote:Is this forum completely unmoderated these days? How is this post still here?
I was thinking this myself, i normally agree and like a lot of SP's posts but they have been pushing the line with regards to referee's recently and went completely off the rails last night in a few posts that should be removed imo.
Maybe a good suggestion to SP would be to take a few dayd break from the forum and come back with a more level head?
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BoredWiganer wrote:I was thinking this myself, i normally agree and like a lot of SP's posts but they have been pushing the line with regards to referee's recently and went completely off the rails last night in a few posts that should be removed imo.
Maybe a good suggestion to SP would be to take a few dayd break from the forum and come back with a more level head?
I'm clear of the beer and I'm 100% doubling down on my posts from yesterday.
I honestly can't see how people don't see how biased he was yesterday. If he's going to send Wigan players off en masse and not do anything for players in a RedVee, then he deserves everything he gets & more.
He ruined what should have been a good day. Sell out, almost two fully strength sides, pubs in town full of fans etc. Instead he decided it was all about him.
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MadDogg wrote:The interchange bench in general turned out to be a bit of a disaster for Wigan. Dupree comes on and gets sinbinned, Leeming makes two errors and is subbed again after 15 minutes, Mago again with limited minutes and looked to struggle with the pace and Nsemba wasn't used. I'd have to look at the stats but I'd be surprised if we even used all of the 8 interchanges as well. Fix that and take out the cards and we're in a better position straight away.
Ultimately there looks very little between the sides atm. Saints with Paasi to come back look like they may still have the edge in the forwards but Wigan's pace will surely come into play more as the season goes on.
I think Havard, Cooper and especially Walters will play a massive role in our chances of success. One thing I thought yesterday did for me was to give clarity on our best side (which is basically just deciding the make up of the pack). Mago deserves all the praise in the world for his efforts in getting fitter and his form and there are plenty of games there for him but if we had a full squad tomorrow and a big game to play, I think Walters comes in for Isa, Havard for Mago and even though I probably wouldn’t go with 3 props on the bench, I think we’d see Cooper for Nsemba.
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Phuzzy wrote:You said you thought there was similar room for improvement in both teams. I didn't see you playing with 12 men unless I missed it. By that reasoning Salford can improve as much as you the next time you meet. Do you think that's the case?
Well no it seems like you didn’t really follow the conversation. We were talking about scope for improvement for the teams at large, to do that you’d be talking about how the game was going at 13 v 13 which is what I was doing and I assume Nicky was as well. If you want to talk about room for improvement as the game was at 13 v 12 then yeah… of course there’s more room for improvement from you. You were also much further behind us when you were down to 12 lol. It doesn’t make sense to approach it from that perspective
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apollosghost wrote:With all due respect to Farrell and Isa who've been tremendous servants to the club I'll be bitterly disappointed if Walters and Nsemba aren't our first choice 2nd row come the back end of the season
I love Willie Isa (don’t ever miss the surname of that sentence), he’s been brilliant for us and has brought great value but I do agree on him sadly. His age is showing and there isn’t enough threat or ability to make ground on that right side currently without KPP or his replacement in Walters. I’ve been hugely impressed with Adam Keighran but in a grind like yesterday I also thought we missed Toby Kings ability to make ground. Keighran is a different sort of centre and that’s fine but you can’t then lose meter makers in other areas.
The Reaper wrote:Well no it seems like you didn’t really follow the conversation. We were talking about scope for improvement for the teams at large, to do that you’d be talking about how the game was going at 13 v 13 which is what I was doing and I assume Nicky was as well. If you want to talk about room for improvement as the game was at 13 v 12 then yeah… of course there’s more room for improvement from you. You were also much further behind us when you were down to 12 lol. It doesn’t make sense to approach it from that perspective
You mean we were winning when it was 13 v 13 despite having been down to 12 men for 10 minutes at that point? Or do you mean we were clearly getting on top prior to the Byrne sending off? Perhaps you mean you couldn't score when we were first down to 12 and only managed to score a try in the dying minutes despite both those advantages?
Again, I'll ask you the same question: Do you think Salford will have the same room for improvement as yourselves when you next meet?
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BoredWiganer wrote:As i am a boring barsteward i thought i would record our errors & discipline issues as i watched the game on the tele this morning. I felt it was yet again at an unacceptable level when at the game yesterday as it has been all season.
It is something we really need to be working on, as the periods when we behave and control the ball we where very competitive.
2 min - Byrne clear offside on kick 5 min - Field tackle in air 7 min - Wardle knock on (more forward pass imo) 10 min - French forward pass - terrible pass in general 11 min - 6 again Farrell holding down 11 min - 6 again Thompson second attempt, O'Neill prob should have given another one for holding down a couple of tackles later aswell. 14 min - O'Neill high tackle off the kick 16 min - Ellis high tackle 18 min - Field knock on 24 - penalty for offside Ellis - would have been a Field knock on otherwise 28 - Dupree leading with elbow - fair yellow imo 35 - Farrell knock on 45 - Leeming knock on 49 - Leeming knock on (rip by Clarke to be fair)
Notice how we have a 13 min spell without any errors or discipline issues - this is about the only time during the game i feel we are on top and coincidentally when we score our only points. Just thought that was worth pointing out.
62 - High tackle with shoulder Byrne - fair red card imo. 63 - Smith holding down 6 again 77 - Smith high tackle
To be fair we cleaned up a lot in our second half and was much more competitive generally for it, we just ran out of gas near the end, we gave ourselves a lot of extra work in that first half + the cards and it took its toll in the end.
I am also going to throw an error in for Peet, not playing Nsemba, even when we went down to 12 men for the last 18 mins was criminal in my eyes. That big body and fresh legs would have been invaluable at that moment, not to mention the different dimension he brings to the game that we needed.
If Peet can't trust a player's involvment in a high stakes period of the game when our backs are against the wall, then that player shouldn't be in the 17 man squad at all. Would he have trusted Hill more? If so he should have played him instead, even if i feel Nsemba earned his chance vs. Sheffield.
Yeah, bit bizarre to not bring him on when you were down to 12, when an injection of energy was clearly needed. As you say, he’s also a beast of a man so could cause some problems and make some much needed metres. Cant really get my head around what Peet was thinking there
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