Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:08 pm
The Dentist Wilf
Player Coach
Joined: Dec 07 2005 Posts: 7402
HU8HFC wrote:As touched on in another thread…
It sounds as if the current coaching methods at this club is a shambles.
I suppose it may be his style, but it appears that Tony is incredibly laid back in his approach to training, to the extent where we go into games without even having a game plan (kicking early in sets, targeting a teams weaknesses,etc). Told on good authority that a player who I won’t name had gone a couple weeks without even having a conversation with Tony, how are players supposed to improve and “right their wrongs” as we have been told they are trying to when the coach doesn’t even go out their way to speak to a regular first team player?
I didn’t get the impression that the player’s particularly get on well with the coaching staff either, with one of the coaches been branded ‘a weirdo’.
I was delighted we got him at the time, but it just feels like Tony is too passive, Rovers players are genuinely scared on Willie Peters, they rarely go out on the lash because of how strict they know he can be, call it tough but that’s how it should be and I can’t help but think we would be at least making a better fist of it if we had a coach with that type of mindset.
I guess he must b1e spending all his time talking to the Kids
"Playing the final game last year has helped me out confidence-wise, but I don't want to let it get on top of me," Jebson added. "I don't want to get too confident. I know there's improvement in me; nobody is perfect.
"Tony has been great with us young players. He's always talking to us, and he's always pushing us, telling us it doesn't matter how old we are, but if we're training and playing our best, then we'll be in the team. For me, I just need to get to the standard I know I can get to, keep improving, and kick on.
on another topic perhaps its not always a good thing when clubs communicate with their fans
It sounds as if the current coaching methods at this club is a shambles.
I suppose it may be his style, but it appears that Tony is incredibly laid back in his approach to training, to the extent where we go into games without even having a game plan (kicking early in sets, targeting a teams weaknesses,etc). Told on good authority that a player who I won’t name had gone a couple weeks without even having a conversation with Tony, how are players supposed to improve and “right their wrongs” as we have been told they are trying to when the coach doesn’t even go out their way to speak to a regular first team player?
I didn’t get the impression that the player’s particularly get on well with the coaching staff either, with one of the coaches been branded ‘a weirdo’.
I was delighted we got him at the time, but it just feels like Tony is too passive, Rovers players are genuinely scared on Willie Peters, they rarely go out on the lash because of how strict they know he can be, call it tough but that’s how it should be and I can’t help but think we would be at least making a better fist of it if we had a coach with that type of mindset.
I guess he must b1e spending all his time talking to the Kids
"Playing the final game last year has helped me out confidence-wise, but I don't want to let it get on top of me," Jebson added. "I don't want to get too confident. I know there's improvement in me; nobody is perfect.
"Tony has been great with us young players. He's always talking to us, and he's always pushing us, telling us it doesn't matter how old we are, but if we're training and playing our best, then we'll be in the team. For me, I just need to get to the standard I know I can get to, keep improving, and kick on.
on another topic perhaps its not always a good thing when clubs communicate with their fans
Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:31 pm
bonaire
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Joined: Apr 04 2014 Posts: 7789
The Dentist Wilf wrote:I guess he must b1e spending all his time talking to the Kids
"Playing the final game last year has helped me out confidence-wise, but I don't want to let it get on top of me," Jebson added. "I don't want to get too confident. I know there's improvement in me; nobody is perfect.
"Tony has been great with us young players. He's always talking to us, and he's always pushing us, telling us it doesn't matter how old we are, but if we're training and playing our best, then we'll be in the team. For me, I just need to get to the standard I know I can get to, keep improving, and kick on.
remind Smith of that when he leaves Charles out of the team on Friday
Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:41 pm
BP1
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Joined: Sep 04 2005 Posts: 1115 Location: In the land of wishful thinking once more. Patiently waiting for our time to finally arrive.
If, as expected, we take another hammering on Friday (especially if we are REALLY hammered) and Smith is still in the hot-seat for the Huddersfield game next week, then we will have to assume that he really is going nowhere and will remain in charge until the end of the year, at the very least.
If he isn't removed from post after three consecutive fifty-plus point defeats, then it's difficult to see what would make Pearson pull the plug. If he's not going to get rid of him this weekend, then why next? What difference would another catastrophic loss make to the overall balance sheet.
Don't forget Pearson stood by Radford even on the back of a 11/12 game losing streak.
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Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:48 pm
The Cooke Report
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Is this perhaps the possible situation 1. Smith is the last coach Pearson will appoint 2. Playing budget rumoured to be at CAP meaning the current squad are the only players willing to sign 3. Pearson taking a big wage out of the club from ticket and merchandise sales as his only source of income 4. Smith on huge wage and impossible to pay him off. 5. The lack of interest from Pearson to attract investors means he has something to hide? 6. Finally could Smith and Pearson walk and leave the club stranded without any leadership, meaning a temporary end of Hull FC?
Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:27 pm
UllFC
Club Owner
Joined: Mar 27 2004 Posts: 17284
BP1 wrote:If, as expected, we take another hammering on Friday (especially if we are REALLY hammered) and Smith is still in the hot-seat for the Huddersfield game next week, then we will have to assume that he really is going nowhere and will remain in charge until the end of the year, at the very least.
If he isn't removed from post after three consecutive fifty-plus point defeats, then it's difficult to see what would make Pearson pull the plug. If he's not going to get rid of him this weekend, then why next? What difference would another catastrophic loss make to the overall balance sheet.
Don't forget Pearson stood by Radford even on the back of a 11/12 game losing streak.
Agree, if he gets past this week he's here for the season and wll be trusted with next years recruitment.
And as depressing as that scenario is, it probably doesnt dent Pearson's finances that much, we don't sell loads of match tickets the money is already in the bank from the pass sales. Whether they can inspire enough to renew next year with new signings would be the next challenge for the club.
Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:08 am
RC15
Academy Player
Joined: Apr 10 2023 Posts: 33
Re: the HDM story - so being abysmal early season for two years running is no issue and to be expected?
Plus no mention of the late season collapse last season that has effectively run into this one?
Add to this that so long as the cash cows - sorry, "loyal supporters" (not the disloyal ones like most of us on here apparently) - continue to buy merchandise and renew season passes, there is simply no reason for the club/CEO/owner to interact with the fanbase at all despite this dire state of affairs?
Post subject: Re: Smith - should he stay or should he go?
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:47 am
The Dentist Wilf
Player Coach
Joined: Dec 07 2005 Posts: 7402
we seem to be doing some strange things too releasing players I always really rated Manoa Wacokecoke's when he played for the Reserves I thought there was definitely something there. But obviously the club didn't. Did anyone see his tries for Featherstone against Leigh??
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