Seth wrote:You'd be wrong, if you can't actually understand the context of why I said what I said then we will disagree and imo youre going out of your way to dismiss alternativeviews to your own as rohan bashing, i think my post history is pretty balanced on my thoughts about his performance.
As a coach my values are in getting the team performing the fundamentals to a high consistency first, Austin played the early cross field kick last year though our overall play was poor, you can't see why I've concerns about get out of jail trick plays (which are great by the way, especially when backed up by the other qualities I mention) being prioritised over the fundamentals which I've seen little evidence of getting right for some time. It will be these fundamental qualities that will get us competing with the top 4, not sporadic trick plays. But go ahead and say I'm moaning that we scored a quality try as that suits your agenda.
You're the one assuming that "trick plays" are being prioritised, there's absolutely no proof of that.
And I'd point to our high completion rate as being proof of fundamentals being much sounder this year than last for a start.
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Not sure that calling Ash’s trys ‘trick plays’ is very fair either, both had a tremendous amount of skill and awareness involved.
Especially the one against Salford, Id much prefer us to be playing whats infront of us in those situations rather than just playing percentages to get out of our half.
If you’ve got that skill in your locker you use it.
KaeruJim wrote:To be fair Seth you’re not a super league or NRL coach either (are you???) so is it just possible RS knows more about coaching and is better at it than you are?
You’re entitled to make criticisms of course, you’re obviously very knowledgeable but it’s also not the case that there is only one way to do things.
I happen to agree with you in terms of building fundamentals but I think RS focuses on energy conservation (to some extent like TS). Jury is still out but it is a legitimate approach.
Ouch, that cuts deep Jim, you enjoyed getting that in ..Probably the most experienced coach in here then.
I'm entitled to comment on what I see as much as anyone is (a bit like your strong views on the disciplinary Jim, i dont think youre a match official and maybe theres more than one way of doing things?)
I've not slagged anyone off or called for his head but people seem to be very touchy (like Chris' 'i though it'd take longer than rnd 2 before 'all this') will see whether RS way of doing things is able to get the team and I think by round 8-10 we can give a fair assessment whether that's going to b enough to complete at the top end over the long term.
LeedsBA - completion would suggest some execution of fundamentals but you can still complete high without offering much in the way of creating space for the majority of the time. Stats aren't always the best indicator. And again you and Christopher are choosing to take what I've said about the cross field kick (which I've said more than once was a brilliant play) without any context.
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Seth wrote:Ouch, that cuts deep Jim, you enjoyed getting that in ..Probably the most experienced coach in here then.
I'm entitled to comment on what I see as much as anyone is (a bit like your strong views on the disciplinary Jim, i dont think youre a match official and maybe theres more than one way of doing things?)
I've not slagged anyone off or called for his head but people seem to be very touchy (like Chris' 'i though it'd take longer than rnd 2 before 'all this') will see whether RS way of doing things is able to get the team and I think by round 8-10 we can give a fair assessment whether that's going to b enough to complete at the top end over the long term.
LeedsBA - completion would suggest some execution of fundamentals but you can still complete high without offering much in the way of creating space for the majority of the time. Stats aren't always the best indicator. And again you and Christopher are choosing to take what I've said about the cross field kick (which I've said more than once was a brilliant play) without any context.
I think he’s (and me to some extent) are taking your comment on the ‘trick’ plays as youve suggested they are taking precedence over other things when there’s no evidence to suggest they are.
Ultimately though we agree that it’s too early to tell anything yet.
Im honestly not taking it personally were just discussing it and we are just coming from it at different angles.
It’s like being in a classroom on here. Hard to actually follow topic with the pathetic bickering…… Please start a private WhatsApp chat or something, if you want such a personal chat fellas
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Shabino wrote:It’s like being in a classroom on here. Hard to actually follow topic with the pathetic bickering…… Please start a private WhatsApp chat or something, if you want such a personal chat fellas
Eh it's a discussion forum, what personal chats are we having? I've not asked Seth what he's having for his tea.
Seth wrote:Ouch, that cuts deep Jim, you enjoyed getting that in ..Probably the most experienced coach in here then.
I'm entitled to comment on what I see as much as anyone is (a bit like your strong views on the disciplinary Jim, i dont think youre a match official and maybe theres more than one way of doing things?)
I've not slagged anyone off or called for his head but people seem to be very touchy (like Chris' 'i though it'd take longer than rnd 2 before 'all this') will see whether RS way of doing things is able to get the team and I think by round 8-10 we can give a fair assessment whether that's going to b enough to complete at the top end over the long term.
LeedsBA - completion would suggest some execution of fundamentals but you can still complete high without offering much in the way of creating space for the majority of the time. Stats aren't always the best indicator. And again you and Christopher are choosing to take what I've said about the cross field kick (which I've said more than once was a brilliant play) without any context.
No harm meant mate I'm just pointing out that RS is highly likely to know more about what he's doing than you seem to think at times.
On the disciplinary front even, I think the referees are unfairly criticised at times, it is a tough job and I have strong views over the whole application. My concern is for the game as a whole; but again we have to balance health of players alongside the spectacle we all enjoy.
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KaeruJim wrote:No harm meant mate I'm just pointing out that RS is highly likely to know more about what he's doing than you seem to think at times.
On the disciplinary front even, I think the referees are unfairly criticised at times, it is a tough job and I have strong views over the whole application. My concern is for the game as a whole; but again we have to balance health of players alongside the spectacle we all enjoy.
I actually feel sorry for the refs, it's not their fault.
Shabino wrote:It’s like being in a classroom on here. Hard to actually follow topic with the pathetic bickering…… Please start a private WhatsApp chat or something, if you want such a personal chat fellas
I look forward to you contributing something of interest to the class Shabs, til then, sit down.
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..Probably the most experienced coach in here then. 
I'm just pointing out that RS is highly likely to know more about what he's doing than you seem to think at times. 
