FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home Bradford Bulls Odsal lease up for sale



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 200 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 ... 20  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Odsal lease up for sale
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:28 pm 
Player Coach
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: Sep 19 2006
Posts: 2054
Silver Bullitt wrote:Indeed. Whilst £750k probably isn’t a huge amount for a property developer, it’s difficult to imagine any of them paying that price and then “protecting professional rugby in Bradford “. It just doesn’t stack up. They will be more interested in filling the hole in and building a retail park, I would imagine.
Tbf it’s time the Odsal nettle was grasped as it can’t be left to decay indefinitely, but where it will leave the Bulls is a cause for concern as things stand.


Depends if Sport England have the field documented within its existing pitch strategy work. If it is, then in realty no developers can build there unless it provides an alternative venue for the use of sport, hence the low valuation of the land. I tried to purchase two unprotected sports pitches, for sports use, but was priced out as the land was valued with development in mind (it was eventually sold to a property developer in 2015 for £1.5m). The footprint of Odsal is around 4 times this.

Admittedly, this SE framework is usually reserved for smaller community clubs and playing fields (i.e. amateur) but if someone genuinely had the ambition of saving the site for RL, then they would have lobbied to include it back when the leasehold was sold.

Based on my professional experience, the best we can possibly hope for is the council secures the leasehold and sells the land plus RD site for property development (something that is very much needed). In return, some of the funds would be placed towards a community stadium which would provide a lasting legacy for the community, plus a venue for the two professional sports clubs on that side of the city (Bulls & BPA).

I really hope that we as a club are talking to the university as they could be potentially a huge partner to have involved in anything going forwards. The current Director of Infrastructure was involved in improving sports facilities at Uni of Leeds in the past few years, so will understand the value of sport and activity within a developing university strategy. I really don't know if the university have any plans to expand or develop their campus but it would be silly not to have that discussion to see if there is a joint partnership that could be formed should it be of interest.

I'd argue that there could be the foundations of a city-led project that develops affordable property, community facilities, a new academic campus and community sports village. Pop some cultural aspects in there and you have a transformational legacy project that could possibly receive significant investment... if only we had something like a cultural legacy project due to happen in the next year or two???

The only problem with this is that there seems a serious lack of vision and ambition from the various parties that would need to come together, so whether or not this ever comes to fruition is another matter.






Don't think i'm biased...
...i'm just very narrow minded!!!!!!!

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Odsal lease up for sale
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:22 pm 
Moderator
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Dec 22 2001
Posts: 31835
Location: The Corridor of Uncertainty
From what I hear from people I know at Bradford University the institution is seriously strapped for cash and has put all it's playing fields at Woodhall Pudsey up for sale.






"If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them," - Wayne Bennett.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Odsal lease up for sale
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:07 pm 
Club Coach
Club Captain

Joined: Oct 27 2004
Posts: 3728
Bullseye wrote:From what I hear from people I know at Bradford University the institution is seriously strapped for cash and has put all it's playing fields at Woodhall Pudsey up for sale.

Don’t know who you’re talking to but you hear wrong. The university is doing ok these days, it’s increased student numbers year on year and has increased staff numbers in recent times. Bradford being one of the cheaper places in the area to live has also helped it during the cost of living crisis. Now they aren’t going to be buying up swathes of land in the area and are subject to the same energy increases we all are but they are going ok. Regarding its sporting links they recently upgraded its partnership with Bradford City, becoming their principle back of shirt sponsor for the next 3 seasons. The Bulls have been approached previously to discuss link ups but there hasn’t been much appetite to take it further from the clubs point of view.

And if Woodhall fields are up for sale it isn’t the uni selling them, they sold them to Leeds city council about 6 years ago. Now they are an organisation that is skint so it wouldn’t shock me of they are trying to offload them again.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Odsal lease up for sale
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:14 am 
Moderator
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Dec 22 2001
Posts: 31835
Location: The Corridor of Uncertainty
Didn't know Woodhall had been sold to Leeds.

My info from Bradford Uni comes from a variety of staff there who are very demoralised.






"If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them," - Wayne Bennett.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Odsal lease up for sale
PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:47 pm 
Club Coach
Club Captain

Joined: Oct 27 2004
Posts: 3728
Bullseye wrote:Didn't know Woodhall had been sold to Leeds.

My info from Bradford Uni comes from a variety of staff there who are very demoralised.

Working in Bradford can do that to a person.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Odsal lease up for sale
PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:46 pm 
Moderator
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Dec 22 2001
Posts: 31835
Location: The Corridor of Uncertainty
The issue at the uni stems from very poor leadership from the previous vice chancellor.






"If you start listening to the fans it won't be long before you're sitting with them," - Wayne Bennett.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Odsal lease up for sale
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 2:22 pm 
Player Coach
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: Sep 19 2006
Posts: 2054
Bullseye wrote:The issue at the uni stems from very poor leadership from the previous vice chancellor.


Having worked for that previous VC before (not at Bradford) I can sympathise with that. However, the new VC and leadership team seem to have a good reputation across the Yorkshire network of Uni's.

I am also lead to believe that the financial performance at UoB is pretty good of the back of an increase in student numbers and positive faculty changes. They are also working up their next uni strategy so this would seem like the most suitable time to be having a discussion about any collaboration opportunities.






Don't think i'm biased...
...i'm just very narrow minded!!!!!!!

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Odsal lease up for sale
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:28 pm 
Club Coach
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Mar 03 2005
Posts: 9108
Location: Odsal Stadium
Dunkirk Spirit wrote:Thank you for your honest reply, and those people at the RFL (some have already been removed wi a golden handshake). wonder why the majority of RL fans also have no faith in the game’s administrators. See you at Belle Vue next season, providing those same administrators don’t cock up the championship and league one structure.

Talking of loans etc for buying stadiums leases, what is the situation with Wakefield and the loan from Wakefield Council? Seem to recall there being some sort of investigation into the sale of Belle Vue but it seemed to go quiet? Do Wakefield still owe the council the money?

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Odsal lease up for sale
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:07 pm 
Club Captain
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Jan 10 2019
Posts: 2752
Location: Horbury, a small town in Wakefield
Bully_Boxer wrote:Talking of loans etc for buying stadiums leases, what is the situation with Wakefield and the loan from Wakefield Council? Seem to recall there being some sort of investigation into the sale of Belle Vue but it seemed to go quiet? Do Wakefield still owe the council the money?

Trinity are paying the council, the council can call in the loan is trinity default on payment. No action was taken against Trinity by the NCA, but Manni Hussain had to pay them several millions of £ under the unexplained wealth rule.

https://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/spor ... al-2891999
Bully_Boxer wrote:Talking of loans etc for buying stadiums leases, what is the situation with Wakefield and the loan from Wakefield Council? Seem to recall there being some sort of investigation into the sale of Belle Vue but it seemed to go quiet? Do Wakefield still owe the council the money?

Trinity are paying the council, the council can call in the loan is trinity default on payment. No action was taken against Trinity by the NCA, but Manni Hussain had to pay them several millions of £ under the unexplained wealth rule.

https://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/spor ... al-2891999

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Odsal lease up for sale
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:42 pm 
Club Coach
Club Captain

Joined: Oct 27 2004
Posts: 3728
bullinenemyland wrote:Having worked for that previous VC before (not at Bradford) I can sympathise with that. However, the new VC and leadership team seem to have a good reputation across the Yorkshire network of Uni's.

I am also lead to believe that the financial performance at UoB is pretty good of the back of an increase in student numbers and positive faculty changes. They are also working up their next uni strategy so this would seem like the most suitable time to be having a discussion about any collaboration opportunities.

Yes it’s fair to say the last VC wasn’t up to the task. But things have improved markedly over the last 4 to 5 years to a point where they are in a pretty decent place. A link up would be beneficial for both parties but the Bulls have seemed lukewarm to the idea for some reason.

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 200 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 ... 20  Next





It is currently Sat Oct 05, 2024 8:26 am


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ckt2487, rugbyreddog, Silver Bullitt and 64 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Sat Oct 05, 2024 8:26 am
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4m
Rumours thread
PopTart
2437
5m
Tonights match v HKR
Wires71
66
5m
TV Games - Not Hull
Dave K.
2894
6m
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Seth
10091
8m
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Bobby Digita
10
20m
Sam Burgess
Bobby Digita
6
27m
Worst semi
Barstool Pre
5
34m
Season tickets
Hudd-Shay
6
42m
Leigh it is
WWste
75
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40179
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
50s
Leigh it is
WWste
75
53s
Isa 1 year extension
[Gareth]
8
53s
Sam Burgess
Bobby Digita
6
1m
Season tickets
Hudd-Shay
6
1m
Championship Awards
Butcher
7
1m
Play-off semi-final
BarnsleyGull
19
2m
Ashurst to depart
BarnsleyGull
8
2m
2025 TRANSFER AND RETENTION RUMOURS
Listenup94
1
2m
2024 IMG gradings
northernblok
2
2m
Fev H Play Off
Rafa9
20
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Bobby Digita
10
TODAY
Worst semi
Barstool Pre
5
TODAY
2025 TRANSFER AND RETENTION RUMOURS
Listenup94
1
TODAY
Sam Burgess
Bobby Digita
6
TODAY
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fightback To Secure Grand Final Spot
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Squad 2025
Nat (Rugby_A
1
TODAY
Tonights match v HKR
Wires71
66
TODAY
Isa 1 year extension
[Gareth]
8
TODAY
2024 IMG gradings
northernblok
2
TODAY
Championship Awards
Butcher
7
TODAY
Season tickets
Hudd-Shay
6
TODAY
Best Semi
sir adrian m
13
TODAY
Ben Condon is a Leopard
Jack Gaskell
1
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Vancouver Le
8
TODAY
Any decent RL reads for me hols
norbellini
1
TODAY
Championship Play Off Final
PopTart
3
TODAY
Man of Steel
matt_wire
8
TODAY
Guest appearance
AgbriggAmble
2
TODAY
Squad for HKR
MorePlaymake
28
TODAY
Proposed rule changes 2025
MjM
11
TODAY
Fev H Play Off
Rafa9
20
TODAY
Whose going for a beer in Wigan Saturday
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Play-off semi-final
BarnsleyGull
19
TODAY
Coach of the Year
Howfenwire
11
TODAY
Greatest game ever at HJ
Fantastic Mr
10
TODAY
World Club Challenge
Barstool Pre
1
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
rubber ducki
14
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
174
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
767
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
806
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1215
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1440
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1191
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1603
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1302
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1528
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
1700
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
2051
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1655
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1696
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
2019
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1717
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Sat 5th Oct
SL
17:30
Wigan-Leigh
Sun 6th Oct
L1
15:00
Keighley-Hunslet
WSL2024
16:30
York V-St.HelensW
NRL
09:30
Melbourne-Penrith
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Fri 4th Oct
SL 29 Hull KR10-8Warrington
Sun 29th Sep
L1 25 Rochdale26-46Hunslet
CH 28 Barrow24-26Widnes
CH 28 Bradford50-0Swinton
CH 28 Dewsbury28-8Sheffield
CH28 Wakefield72-6Doncaster
CH 28 Whitehaven23-20Halifax
CH 28 York16-6Featherstone
Sat 28th Sep
CH 28 Toulouse64-16Batley
SL 28 Warrington23-22St.Helens
NRL 30 Penrith26-6Cronulla
Fri 27th Sep
SL 28 Salford6-14Leigh
NRL 30 Melbourne48-18Sydney
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Hull KR 28 729 335 394 44
Wigan 27 721 336 385 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 28 580 404 176 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 26 1010 262 748 50
Toulouse 25 744 368 376 35
Bradford 26 678 387 291 34
York 27 655 469 186 30
Widnes 26 551 475 76 29
Featherstone 26 622 500 122 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Swinton 27 474 670 -196 18
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4m
Rumours thread
PopTart
2437
5m
Tonights match v HKR
Wires71
66
5m
TV Games - Not Hull
Dave K.
2894
6m
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Seth
10091
8m
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Bobby Digita
10
20m
Sam Burgess
Bobby Digita
6
27m
Worst semi
Barstool Pre
5
34m
Season tickets
Hudd-Shay
6
42m
Leigh it is
WWste
75
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40179
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
50s
Leigh it is
WWste
75
53s
Isa 1 year extension
[Gareth]
8
53s
Sam Burgess
Bobby Digita
6
1m
Season tickets
Hudd-Shay
6
1m
Championship Awards
Butcher
7
1m
Play-off semi-final
BarnsleyGull
19
2m
Ashurst to depart
BarnsleyGull
8
2m
2025 TRANSFER AND RETENTION RUMOURS
Listenup94
1
2m
2024 IMG gradings
northernblok
2
2m
Fev H Play Off
Rafa9
20
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Bobby Digita
10
TODAY
Worst semi
Barstool Pre
5
TODAY
2025 TRANSFER AND RETENTION RUMOURS
Listenup94
1
TODAY
Sam Burgess
Bobby Digita
6
TODAY
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fightback To Secure Grand Final Spot
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Squad 2025
Nat (Rugby_A
1
TODAY
Tonights match v HKR
Wires71
66
TODAY
Isa 1 year extension
[Gareth]
8
TODAY
2024 IMG gradings
northernblok
2
TODAY
Championship Awards
Butcher
7
TODAY
Season tickets
Hudd-Shay
6
TODAY
Best Semi
sir adrian m
13
TODAY
Ben Condon is a Leopard
Jack Gaskell
1
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Vancouver Le
8
TODAY
Any decent RL reads for me hols
norbellini
1
TODAY
Championship Play Off Final
PopTart
3
TODAY
Man of Steel
matt_wire
8
TODAY
Guest appearance
AgbriggAmble
2
TODAY
Squad for HKR
MorePlaymake
28
TODAY
Proposed rule changes 2025
MjM
11
TODAY
Fev H Play Off
Rafa9
20
TODAY
Whose going for a beer in Wigan Saturday
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Play-off semi-final
BarnsleyGull
19
TODAY
Coach of the Year
Howfenwire
11
TODAY
Greatest game ever at HJ
Fantastic Mr
10
TODAY
World Club Challenge
Barstool Pre
1
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Hull KR Away Play Off Semi
rubber ducki
14
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
174
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
767
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
806
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1215
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1440
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1191
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1603
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1302
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1528
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
1700
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
2051
Salford Close In On The Play O..
1655
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1696
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
2019
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1717


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.