Joined: Jan 30 2004 Posts: 8180 Location: Never never land away with the fairies
BP1 wrote:Genuine question to you.
How do you know that the relatively successful season you are having isn't down to the fact that Willie Peters has been able to build on some solid foundations which were put down by Tony Smith?
Now it may well be that Peters has come into your club and told everyone 'forget everything you have been doing these past three years, this is the only way forward from here on in', but I have my doubts that is the case here!
The fact that the likes of McGuire and Hodgson worked under both regimes suggests a certain amount of continuity at rovers. Your club was on a fast track to nowhere before Smith took up the post, he clearly improved matters to some degree as evidenced by the fact that he took you to within 80 minutes of both major cup finals (a fact I've noticed you are reticent to acknowledge, presumably because it doesn't fit your current narrative!).
Unless you work at rovers on a day to day basis, you have no real idea of how much of this season is down to either Peters being a completely new broom, or (more likely) the fact that he inherited at least a solid ground, from which he has been able to implement his own ideas without the need to do the groundwork which tends to be required at any club rebuild.
Tony Smith has, unfortunately, inherited another Hull club which requires rebuilding from the ground up. Whether he is successful here remains to be seen, but your dismissal of any work he did whilst in rovers employment is at best disingenuous, or at worst playing blind with facts.
Peters has undoubtedly done well this season, but I repeat, you don't know (or have chosen to ignore) what the situation at your club was like when he first walked through the door, you were hardly a basket case, which was quite possibly the situation when TS took up the offer to coach there.
Like I first said, this is a genuine serious question to you, I'm not baiting or looking to score cheap points over you. As a black & white I am hardly in a strong position at the moment to play those kind of cat and mouse games, am I!!!
Also worth noting that Peters himself during their pre season stated TS had left the playing side of the club on solid foundations.
As you say their fans didn’t have a problem with TS, many weren’t too happy he was leaving and many saying Lakin was an issue, the only issue they seemed to have with TS at the time was has the way he announced he was leaving. It wasn’t until the situation within their club and results suffering they started to question TS. Funny how they changed their views once it was announced he was joining Hull and no longer think he did a good job turning them around
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Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12647 Location: Leicestershire.
Tony Smith’s legacy at Hull KR is complicated.
The positives first. He won a SL play-off game, only our second ever, the first since 2010 and in our first play-off appearance since 2013. Bigger than that he stopped the score-one-get-one-free offer we seemed to run for nearly a decade, and the mental toughness of the squad seemed much improved.
The negatives. After Peacock, anything that smacked of ‘one step backwards…’ was hard to stomach, so I didn’t enjoy the approach we took in 2020. The whole ‘play some footy’, ‘don’t worry about the wrestle’ stuff had already worn a bit thin under Sheens (who was gloriously pragmatic in 2017, tbf). It felt like Smith was more interested in curing his RL ennui than addressing the fans’ boredom with losing. If he’d gone to Hull and suddenly become laser focused on winning whatever it takes, I’d have been reet peeved. Then there was the strop, which could have been really damaging… and only wasn’t in the long term because he hung around to oversee the wheels fall off in 2022.
Good coach but sometimes the fit just isn’t right.
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How do you know that the relatively successful season you are having isn't down to the fact that Willie Peters has been able to build on some solid foundations which were put down by Tony Smith?
Now it may well be that Peters has come into your club and told everyone 'forget everything you have been doing these past three years, this is the only way forward from here on in', but I have my doubts that is the case here!
The fact that the likes of McGuire and Hodgson worked under both regimes suggests a certain amount of continuity at rovers. Your club was on a fast track to nowhere before Smith took up the post, he clearly improved matters to some degree as evidenced by the fact that he took you to within 80 minutes of both major cup finals (a fact I've noticed you are reticent to acknowledge, presumably because it doesn't fit your current narrative!).
Unless you work at rovers on a day to day basis, you have no real idea of how much of this season is down to either Peters being a completely new broom, or (more likely) the fact that he inherited at least a solid ground, from which he has been able to implement his own ideas without the need to do the groundwork which tends to be required at any club rebuild.
Tony Smith has, unfortunately, inherited another Hull club which requires rebuilding from the ground up. Whether he is successful here remains to be seen, but your dismissal of any work he did whilst in rovers employment is at best disingenuous, or at worst playing blind with facts.
Peters has undoubtedly done well this season, but I repeat, you don't know (or have chosen to ignore) what the situation at your club was like when he first walked through the door, you were hardly a basket case, which was quite possibly the situation when TS took up the offer to coach there.
Like I first said, this is a genuine serious question to you, I'm not baiting or looking to score cheap points over you. As a black & white I am hardly in a strong position at the moment to play those kind of cat and mouse games, am I!!!
When Smith was at Rovers they always had a soft belly when it came to defence and a lot of their play was off the cuff. Whether you like it or not Peters has come in to Rovers and from day one worked on their fitness and defence structures which is evident to see when you watch them. Their high level of fitness allows them to defend multi times when necessary and have something left in the tank to attack when given the chance. Compare that with our fitness levels under Smith and you have to be critical. From your argument i would say that Peters has been a completely new broom rather than he inherited anything solid from the Smith era
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Do we really have to hang on the coat-tails of how well Smith did, or didn't do at Rovers? Seems that way to some. Far more interested in what he can do to turn us around, or not, as the case will be.
Irregular Hoops wrote:Anyone who thinks the Dobbins moderate success is down solely to Peters brief tenure is deluded.
If TS didn’t lay some foundations to build on, its the only club he’s ever coached where that hasn’t happened.
you could also say Brett Hodgson apart from some disasterous signings left the club with foundations to build on like his work with the academy and reserves Rovers success on the field is down to Peters nothing to do with Smith
WIZEB wrote:Do we really have to hang on the coat-tails of how well Smith did, or didn't do at Rovers? Seems that way to some. Far more interested in what he can do to turn us around, or not, as the case will be.
Seems we just about have a split decision Wiz with your post and Irregular Hoops with you on this one
Joined: Jan 19 2006 Posts: 1336 Location: Hibbing, Minnesota.
BP1 wrote:Genuine question to you.
How do you know that the relatively successful season you are having isn't down to the fact that Willie Peters has been able to build on some solid foundations which were put down by Tony Smith?
Now it may well be that Peters has come into your club and told everyone 'forget everything you have been doing these past three years, this is the only way forward from here on in', but I have my doubts that is the case here!
The fact that the likes of McGuire and Hodgson worked under both regimes suggests a certain amount of continuity at rovers. Your club was on a fast track to nowhere before Smith took up the post, he clearly improved matters to some degree as evidenced by the fact that he took you to within 80 minutes of both major cup finals (a fact I've noticed you are reticent to acknowledge, presumably because it doesn't fit your current narrative!).
Unless you work at rovers on a day to day basis, you have no real idea of how much of this season is down to either Peters being a completely new broom, or (more likely) the fact that he inherited at least a solid ground, from which he has been able to implement his own ideas without the need to do the groundwork which tends to be required at any club rebuild.
Tony Smith has, unfortunately, inherited another Hull club which requires rebuilding from the ground up. Whether he is successful here remains to be seen, but your dismissal of any work he did whilst in rovers employment is at best disingenuous, or at worst playing blind with facts.
Peters has undoubtedly done well this season, but I repeat, you don't know (or have chosen to ignore) what the situation at your club was like when he first walked through the door, you were hardly a basket case, which was quite possibly the situation when TS took up the offer to coach there.
Like I first said, this is a genuine serious question to you, I'm not baiting or looking to score cheap points over you. As a black & white I am hardly in a strong position at the moment to play those kind of cat and mouse games, am I!!!
11th.11th, 6th (part season) 10th at time of sacking. Maybe Peter's 5th possibly 4th would have been achieved anyway but I really don't think so.
Tony Smith signed expensive overseas flops like Takairangi, Vete and Sims. He signed players who were just not Super League standard at all like Trout, Maher and Rawsthorne.
And we could defend no better on the day of his departure than the day of his arrival..
But we went off Smith for more than that.
He would stop speaking to people after a disagreement even the club CEO and his assistant coach who happens to be one of the most respected figures in the history of Super League. He said he worked for the players not the club.
Tony Smith is a complex character with a massive ego.
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