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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2023 8:02 pm 
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Nantwich One wrote:The really objectionable thing about it is that a quality centre aside... That team roster is as good as most others in the league... However the players attitudes to professional values doesn't appear to go beyond ensuring their contracts pay up win or more often lose


Bit unfair really. I think we do put the effort in but we have weaknesses & not just the ones that get thrown up on the forum all the time. The facts indicate that, at the moment, we are the 5th best team in Super League. We could lose to anyone & probably beat anyone.

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Smiffy27 wrote:Bit unfair really. I think we do put the effort in but we have weaknesses & not just the ones that get thrown up on the forum all the time. The facts indicate that, at the moment, we are the 5th best team in Super League. We could lose to anyone & probably beat anyone.

Beat anyone apart from Wigan or saints..

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sir adrian morley wrote:Beat anyone apart from Wigan or saints..


Probably right. But ... on a one off???
I think Wigan are best at the moment but 5 weeks back I thought Catalan. So who knows.

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I still think we are better than 20/1. Were only 1 player off Feb/Mar.






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Smiffy27 wrote:Probably right. But ... on a one off???
I think Wigan are best at the moment but 5 weeks back I thought Catalan. So who knows.

One off at Wigan in a cup game 2 months back couldn't even beat beat a team that were reduced to twelve players after 5 minutes...hope your right as regarding a one off..but I'm not confident with this rabble...

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sir adrian morley wrote:One off at Wigan in a cup game 2 months back couldn't even beat beat a team that were reduced to twelve players after 5 minutes...hope your right as regarding a one off..but I'm not confident with this rabble...


The problem is that we need to pull successive big performances out of the bag - something we’ve never been able to do - our last play off win we did it against Saints in 2018 (I had to check twice that it was that long ago!), couldn’t back it up the week after.

We need to put ourselves in a position to not need to pull miracles out of the hat - although that’s much easier said than done!

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Smiffy27 wrote:Bit unfair really. I think we do put the effort in but we have weaknesses & not just the ones that get thrown up on the forum all the time. The facts indicate that, at the moment, we are the 5th best team in Super League. We could lose to anyone & probably beat anyone.

You are right ...it is a bit unfair as it only some not all who have lacked passion and drive in the aftermath of mcguire ..But for those players,it's not unfair when Gary chambers has talked about expectations in regards to effort from here on being a minimum ... It's really clear from that observation that effort issues have been recognised

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sir adrian morley wrote:One off at Wigan in a cup game 2 months back couldn't even beat beat a team that were reduced to twelve players after 5 minutes...hope your right as regarding a one off..but I'm not confident with this rabble...


We played so badly that game but we all must have thought that we'd scored at the end in the right corner ... but it was forward. I'm not confident either but I have watched enough rugby to realise that strange things can happen. No one would have predicted our start to the season.

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The 1/4 final performance was so bad from Warrington at Wigan, I wouldn’t argue against it being the catalyst for the next 3 months of shattered confidence.






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This has been a repeated problem with Warrington sides. It happened under Price too. When we start to get into a rut we can't get out of it and we get mired in bad form for ages.

It's because we have a complete lack of leaders in the squad. We don't have the characters who can step up and turn round a losing situation, either during a game or in a run of form.

So this is why every year we get people on here saying "if you look at our squad in terms of ability there's not much between us and Saints" but every year we are a million miles away from Saints in results.

When you have a side that folds and gets mired in to runs of bad form and can't get out of them, you've got the wrong players if you want to compete for the Grand Final. You can make excuses and say "it's just confidence...everybody gets affected by losing/when the crowd is on their backs..." ok sure, but the type of players who will win a Grand Final won't be.

I remember seeing Jamie Peacock once talking about Bradford's last title winning season in 2005. Their mid season form was up and down and they were getting stick from the fans and media and when the pressure was really building they went to Wakefield and Wakey stuck 60 points on them. It was the lowest point that Bradford team had ever been in. Peacock and a group of other senior players got the squad together and basically said this is how we're going to turn this around and they became a juggernaut for the rest of that season who smashed everybody on the way to winning the Grand Final. After that year, a lot of those senior players (including Peacock) moved to other clubs and Bradford never got close again.

We saw other seasons where Leeds or Wigan had embarrassing defeats mid season and their fans were demanding McDermott/Wane get sacked. By the end of the season they were winning the Grand Final (often against us). But in our case, we respond to a setback by being poop for the next 10 weeks.






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