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 Post subject: Re: The debate is over
PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 1:24 am 
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The Wigan win against Brisbane in 94 was far more impressive.

Gary Connally put on a more impressive performance at Full-back that day than Elton Welsby did and he wasn't even Wigan's best performer that day, Phil Clarke was.

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 Post subject: Re: The debate is over
PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 9:12 am 
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giddyupoldfella wrote:The Wigan win against Brisbane in 94 was far more impressive.

Gary Connally put on a more impressive performance at Full-back that day than Elton Welsby did and he wasn't even Wigan's best performer that day, Phil Clarke was.


You know what you have done now,Stains fans will be in uproar and will tell us in so many terms that Stains are the greatest team ever .

I agree with you though.

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 Post subject: Re: The debate is over
PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 10:21 am 
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Not just rugby league, are Saints the greatest sporting institution of any sport, worldwide, ever, in the history of humankind?

There’s something special about St Helens. The little town. It’s almost as if it was the temporal junction point of the entire space time continuum.

Can they win a quadruple of quadruples?






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 Post subject: Re: The debate is over
PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 12:03 pm 
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SKY ran a poll of the best win on OZ soil and it came out 60% in Saints favour. There has also been comments from Morley, Kear, Noble, Buderus, Sully saying in their opinion the Saints win was the more impressive for many reasons.

Our Wigoon fans must remember their team had a net value equal or more than the Brisbane Broncos were full time professionals and and almost had a full Great Britain side because all of the money thrown out to create that team. Years down the line the likes of Robinson, Offiah, Edwards, Farrell, Connolly, John-Mather deserted rugby league and went into bed with rugby union and hence did not contribute anything to the league game with the exception of Dennis Betts. Eventually the "Brown Envelope Maverick" of Maurice Lyndsay set the seeds of failure for the club as Superleague surfaced and became rent boys to Wigan Athletic, also they have never dominated Superleague in the way Bradford, Leeds and Saints have done in this salary capped level playing field era.

The Saints win is huge in many ways and not for the club alone, leading up to the game the Saints Club mantra was that they represented Superleague and not as a club entity by itself. They felt the media disrespected our UK competition and was felt by Wello and his players. The Saints net value salary cap spend is only around £2m compared to Penriths £6.5 that is an enormous disparity compared to the Wigoon/Brisbane one, so that was an enormous challenge in itself.

The Wigoon WCC win didn't really benefit rugby league because other clubs couldn't try the spend and bust format. The Saints win is huge, clubs will see the club structure at saints and see the possibility that in a few years others could emulate it, that would benefit Superleague and we might see the likes of Warrington and Hull jumping on that band wagon first to strengthen the UK game.






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Welsby-Dodd-Simms-Eaves-Rizzelli, not Eastmond...the future is coming.

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 Post subject: Re: The debate is over
PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 12:36 pm 
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See what you have started Giddyup LOL.
13k watched Stains,60K watched Wigan,Stains will never be as big or successful as Wigan,Stains fans just cannot accept that which is a shame as they would sleep better at night and Wigan wouldnt hold so much head space inside the poor souls.

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 Post subject: Re: The debate is over
PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2023 5:31 pm 
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Judder Man wrote:SKY ran a poll of the best win on OZ soil and it came out 60% in Saints favour. There has also been comments from Morley, Kear, Noble, Buderus, Sully saying in their opinion the Saints win was the more impressive for many reasons.

Our Wigoon fans must remember their team had a net value equal or more than the Brisbane Broncos were full time professionals and and almost had a full Great Britain side because all of the money thrown out to create that team. Years down the line the likes of Robinson, Offiah, Edwards, Farrell, Connolly, John-Mather deserted rugby league and went into bed with rugby union and hence did not contribute anything to the league game with the exception of Dennis Betts. Eventually the "Brown Envelope Maverick" of Maurice Lyndsay set the seeds of failure for the club as Superleague surfaced and became rent boys to Wigan Athletic, also they have never dominated Superleague in the way Bradford, Leeds and Saints have done in this salary capped level playing field era.

The Saints win is huge in many ways and not for the club alone, leading up to the game the Saints Club mantra was that they represented Superleague and not as a club entity by itself. They felt the media disrespected our UK competition and was felt by Wello and his players. The Saints net value salary cap spend is only around £2m compared to Penriths £6.5 that is an enormous disparity compared to the Wigoon/Brisbane one, so that was an enormous challenge in itself.

The Wigoon WCC win didn't really benefit rugby league because other clubs couldn't try the spend and bust format. The Saints win is huge, clubs will see the club structure at saints and see the possibility that in a few years others could emulate it, that would benefit Superleague and we might see the likes of Warrington and Hull jumping on that band wagon first to strengthen the UK game.
Wigan went into that game without their two first choice props in Kelvin Skerrett and Andy Platt. That's the equivalent of Saints going into last weeks game without Walmsley and Lees.

That Brisbane team was a better team than that Penrith team you played last week and played better on the respective days.

Wigan actually won the game inside 80 minutes whereas Saints ended up not being able to hold out in normal time.

I stand by my statement that the Wigan victory was better and I'll add, more iconic and is still remembered fondly and still watched by neutrals like me 30 years later

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 Post subject: Re: The debate is over
PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 7:22 pm 
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Just as an aside, watched The Chase earlier this evening and one of the questions was "what is the name of St Helens stadium" They gave one correct and two incorrect answers.
Neither the contestant, Compere or Chaser knew the answer. Statistically, the odds of this happening are something like 1/10.
Four Grand Finals and one World Club Challenge in the past 4 years have barely registered as an achievement in the public view.






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And neither would any Lancastrian.

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 Post subject: Re: The debate is over
PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:39 pm 
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They chose St Helens for that question because they are the greatest rugby league team of all time in this country. They couldn’t ask wigan because they don’t have a stadium

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 Post subject: Re: The debate is over
PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:18 pm 
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Do St Helens supporters have the most fragile egos? Going by this thread, yes.

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 Post subject: Re: The debate is over
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 8:54 am 
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FlexWheeler wrote:Not just rugby league, are Saints the greatest institution


You could have just stopped there. St Helens have transcended the sport and are now pivotal to humanity's survival.






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