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 Post subject: Re: Castleford away Thursday
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 3:24 pm 
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PopTart wrote:I have to agree.
The ref wasn't why we lost but he made it more difficult.
Cas defense on the line was string because they were consistently offside.
There was one I saw where the ref was stood on the line to get them back and he had to look around the Cas player stood in front of him to see the play.

We were also regularly offside or doesn’t that count? The ref was even handed yesterday, they got a couple of 50-50’s so did we.

Some people need to get over this victim mentally they have, our problems are all of our own making.

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 Post subject: Re: Castleford away Thursday
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 3:34 pm 
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Sacred Cow wrote:We were also regularly offside or doesn’t that count? The ref was even handed yesterday, they got a couple of 50-50’s so did we.

Some people need to get over this victim mentally they have, our problems are all of our own making.


"Some people" simply made a comment on the back of what was said above.
And "some people" need to read the bit where it said that the ref wasn't what lost us the game.






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 Post subject: Re: Castleford away Thursday
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 3:39 pm 
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PopTart wrote:"Some people" simply made a comment on the back of what was said above.
And "some people" need to read the bit where it said that the ref wasn't what lost us the game.

Some people wrongly inferred the ref made things more difficult, their words not mine. Some people need to look at things without red, white & blue specs on.

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 Post subject: Re: Castleford away Thursday
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 4:14 pm 
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Trojan Horse wrote:Mopsey I already said that about the team. That was not the point. I am not blaming the ref and I’m not allowing you to derail my question on referee consistency in applying rules into a conversation about the clubs management. We can discuss that after if you wish.

So you are saying you believe the decision against Dagger for a knock on was a correct interpretation of the rules?

After watching the saints/Wigan game lesser messing about a penalty was given to the player playing the ball. I’m genuinely confused as to where the line is drawn for a penalty. It doesn’t add up unless referees apply rules differently.
I suppose its the way the refs see it in the split second, I get what your saying about interpretation but I think the refs are doing OK and I know you've not said it but I don't think they cheat or they are bent. We must take it out of ghe refs hands and be more careful






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 Post subject: Re: Castleford away Thursday
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 4:20 pm 
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Sacred Cow wrote:Some people wrongly inferred the ref made things more difficult, their words not mine. Some people need to look at things without red, white & blue specs on.


He definitely made things more difficult for us.
That doesn't mean he was biased towards Cas.

But when we are not very good in attack, having the defense right on us made it difficult.






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 Post subject: Re: Castleford away Thursday
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 4:23 pm 
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MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:I suppose its the way the refs see it in the split second, I get what your saying about interpretation but I think the refs are doing OK and I know you've not said it but I don't think they cheat or they are bent. We must take it out of ghe refs hands and be more careful


I agree.
In terms of taking it out if their hands I noticed we were standing much deeper in the backline in the second half.
I can't say I've seen a Wakefield team do that for years.
I hope they keep doing it.






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 Post subject: Re: Castleford away Thursday
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 4:33 pm 
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MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:I suppose its the way the refs see it in the split second, I get what your saying about interpretation but I think the refs are doing OK and I know you've not said it but I don't think they cheat or they are bent. We must take it out of ghe refs hands and be more careful


So if it’s the way refs are seeing it then I guess inconsistencies will always be a part we have to accept and clubs probably have to account for.

I wouldn’t for a moment suggest referees are bias but I do feel they lack proper support to make more consistent decisions. Whether that be training, technology or perception of a clubs skill/ability who knows. Maybe it’s a combination of them all and until there’s some more investment in the officiating it will just have to remain inconsistent in parts with come controversial moments. I suppose this sits at the door of the governing body who don’t invest enough.

Case in point again Cas vs Catalans where one try should have not been given and Cas lost by s few points. The Burgess leg about 1 metre in touch against us away at Salford last season or season before. I’d suggest technology plays a big part but it’s damaging the game as a whole.

You are right we have to take it out of the refs hands but weren’t we doing just that with all the pressure and ascendency until that very Dagger knock on decision completely put us under the pump and changed the swing of the game?

That makes it a factor in the loss but I won’t use it to blame it. There were things within. Our control such as Ashurst’s missed tackle, Lino running it in on 5th leaving Dagger to kick poorly leaving a clear run downfield. Fine margins but those two errors pretty much cost us two tries.

I have noticed majority of our errors are coming from our experienced players who should be better too.






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 Post subject: Re: Castleford away Thursday
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 4:42 pm 
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It’s the 6 agains that irritate me it’s a stupid rule it’s a lottery and can influence results.

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 Post subject: Re: Castleford away Thursday
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:09 pm 
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PopTart wrote:"Some people" simply made a comment on the back of what was said above.
And "some people" need to read the bit where it said that the ref wasn't what lost us the game.


Some people have an agenda to push I agree and they clearly either only see what they want to see or are unable to discuss the the officiating as a talking point without accusing fans of blaming the ref for the loss (which they actually aren’t).






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 Post subject: Re: Castleford away Thursday
PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:11 pm 
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Wakefield City wrote:It’s the 6 agains that irritate me it’s a stupid rule it’s a lottery and can influence results.


That just needs scrapping completely. Just adds controversy and promotes robotic one dimentional rugby down the middle channels and running behind the ruck repeatedly. That’s not what I want to see as a rugby fan.






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