Phuzzy wrote:Sounds about right on all 3. I thought the Hurrell one was possibly the worst of them but his otherwise good record probably helped him.
The Shoulder charge should have been penalised at the game as it clearly was one. Surprised he didn't pick up a match ban for it tbh.
Agreed, all seems about right. Hurrell was worse as it was direct contact with the head but he more leaned in to make contact rather than hit with force. As you said previous does and should count.
What surprises me it there wasn’t also a misconduct charge for Hurrell for refusing to leave the pitch and his reaction when off it.
Was a crowd of 15,000 plus reported or am I imagining it? There was no where near that figure. Only 250 in the away end and gaps elsewhere. Whoever counted the crowd, could I kindly ask that they count my wages?
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Zig wrote:Was a crowd of 15,000 plus reported or am I imagining it? There was no where near that figure. Only 250 in the away end and gaps elsewhere. Whoever counted the crowd, could I kindly ask that they count my wages?
Ground holds about 18k and Saints announced a sell out in the home end. Sounds about right to me.
Bear in mind that in the same way as at Wigan on Thursday.....if someone buys a ticket but doesn't turn up then they'll still count in the crowd figure
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Wigg'n wrote:Wraps his arm around and doesn't rotate - by definition it's not a shoulder charge
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I think a lot of fans have got into the Pitchfork mentality and are looking for penalties at every opportunity given then RFL's attitude last few years, and now refs are showing more common sense the Fans are struggling to actually see what's in front of them and are still screaming for penalties and bans for everything
A few of our fans I've seen calling for Watts to be banned - I'm not Tech Savvy to start putting pics up but there wasn't much in it - Wardle passes and practically turns his back and Watts wraps his arm round and hits him pretty much across the Back - The amount of people claiming Watts almost decapitated him his ridiculous.
The Ref stated that there wasn't any Rotation from Walters to be a shoulder charge i.e. although he uses his shoulder he does it from a "Front on" perspective not turning side on Rohan Smith also said something which I can kind of agree with which is the other player is in the position that normally Walters right arm would "Wrap" although I do think he possibly has to do a bit better to try. So overall on balance I think it's just about ok and isn't the kind of "Shoulder charge" that they intend (Rightly or wrongly) to get out of the game.
The 3 Saints Bans I think they got about right Matautia was late, from behind and no Wrap just a Shoulder Sironen wasn't as bad as above so 1 game Hurrell - front on but catches him high - If he had left the floor and thrown himself at the attacker it could have been a 4 or 5 - But 2 games is about right I reckon (Surprised no mention though of him not leaving the field directly).
Overall I think the new interpretations are working much better, leading to a better game and I'd like it to continue this way and fans (I would mainly blame the Twitter/FB Brigade who probably don't in the main go to the games) need to be Wary of wanting every decision to go their way so much as it creates a situation where the RFL react by putting Black & White rules in place that they apply 100% of the time and then get criticised for because they're not using common sense and get criticised by the same fans who want "Consistency".
Wigg'n wrote:Wraps his arm around and doesn't rotate - by definition it's not a shoulder charge
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I think a lot of fans have got into the Pitchfork mentality and are looking for penalties at every opportunity given then RFL's attitude last few years, and now refs are showing more common sense the Fans are struggling to actually see what's in front of them and are still screaming for penalties and bans for everything
A few of our fans I've seen calling for Watts to be banned - I'm not Tech Savvy to start putting pics up but there wasn't much in it - Wardle passes and practically turns his back and Watts wraps his arm round and hits him pretty much across the Back - The amount of people claiming Watts almost decapitated him his ridiculous.
The Ref stated that there wasn't any Rotation from Walters to be a shoulder charge i.e. although he uses his shoulder he does it from a "Front on" perspective not turning side on Rohan Smith also said something which I can kind of agree with which is the other player is in the position that normally Walters right arm would "Wrap" although I do think he possibly has to do a bit better to try. So overall on balance I think it's just about ok and isn't the kind of "Shoulder charge" that they intend (Rightly or wrongly) to get out of the game.
The 3 Saints Bans I think they got about right Matautia was late, from behind and no Wrap just a Shoulder Sironen wasn't as bad as above so 1 game Hurrell - front on but catches him high - If he had left the floor and thrown himself at the attacker it could have been a 4 or 5 - But 2 games is about right I reckon (Surprised no mention though of him not leaving the field directly).
Overall I think the new interpretations are working much better, leading to a better game and I'd like it to continue this way and fans (I would mainly blame the Twitter/FB Brigade who probably don't in the main go to the games) need to be Wary of wanting every decision to go their way so much as it creates a situation where the RFL react by putting Black & White rules in place that they apply 100% of the time and then get criticised for because they're not using common sense and get criticised by the same fans who want "Consistency".
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