FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home The Virtual Terrace Looking back on the SL era



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 31 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Looking back on the SL era
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:01 am 
Moderator
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Jun 01 2007
Posts: 12647
Location: Leicestershire.
As SL comes to an end over the next couple of years, in name at least, how successful a time do you think it has been for the sport? Are we in a better or worse place than when it began? It is just shy of a quarter of the sport’s entire history now!

What lessons need to learned, either to be carried forward or to try to improve and strengthen the game?






'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Looking back on the SL era
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:58 pm 
First Team Player
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: Aug 25 2021
Posts: 1219
Worse state by a long way.

Lessons to be learned? The salary cap is killing the sport






Wakefield Wildcats RLFANS Quiz Champion 2023

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Looking back on the SL era
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:00 pm 
Moderator
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Jun 01 2007
Posts: 12647
Location: Leicestershire.
TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:Worse state by a long way.


I’d disagree, in so far as I think it is a mixed bag. Much of that reflects wider societal, cultural and economic changes, of course.

On the credit side, compared with the 27 years before SL, summer rugby has worked, facilities are typically much less dilapidated, and we have 12 or so full-time teams of fabulously impressive athletes.

On the debit side, even with Wigan’s overwhelming dominance in the final years of the limited tackles pre-SL era, from 1968 to the arrival of SL there 12 different RL champions. The end of Wigan’s hegemony at the start of SL and the rise of Leeds/decline of Bradford from the mid-2000s made it feel like a moving, vital contest. Some the stuff that looks dated now was still fairly new then. With hindsight, the best of SL was probably done by the start of licensing and since that was abandoned, it has felt a bit like rearranging the super8s and the golden points on the titanic. The gimmicks moved from being presentational to structural.

It had its time, and was not remotely all bad, but that time has passed.






'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Looking back on the SL era
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:25 pm 
Player Coach
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Aug 24 2006
Posts: 5214
Location: Another dimension
TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:Worse state by a long way.

Lessons to be learned? The salary cap is killing the sport


The salary cap isn’t killing the sport (after all the NRL also has a cap, and flourishing) - having the cap managed by the people who benefit most from keeping it superficially low (in the short term at least) whilst not having any commercial activity for so long not discerningly increasing money in the sport over decades, leading to everything being cut to the bone financially are the things which is killing the sport.

IMG bringing in a commercial team, and committing to a prolonged schedule of increasing the salary cap, whilst repurposing the cap to focus more on empowering teams to keep their homegrown talent (rather than some ill conceived “providing an equal competition” as it currently is presented as, when it clearly doesn’t achieve that aim), bringing in minimum contracts for young players, limiting cap value to a set amount, and providing more incentives for investing in youth, both locally, and in target communities.






:CROWN: I am the hash browns of rlfans :CROWN:

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Looking back on the SL era
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:13 pm 
International Board Member
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: Jan 03 2003
Posts: 2229
Location: Leeds
It peaked (in my opinion) between 2004-2007. During this period, the game had lots of household names, we could still sell out challenge cup finals, games felt more exciting both on TV and in person, it felt like we had more media coverage, a better commentary team in Eddie & Stevo on TV.....since then it has been on a downward trend for various reasons including a stagnating salary cap, the demise of the Bradford Bulls (loss of a big derby with Leeds), too many changes to the league structure including 14 teams, franchising, super 8s, middle 8s, back to 12, a poor commentary team on TV that struggle to get excited about the product on the pitch and failed attempts at expansion in Toronto, North Wales and the demise of London have made it a less attractive product.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Looking back on the SL era
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:31 am 
Club Owner
International Star

Joined: Jan 24 2004
Posts: 5852
Location: Haydock
Superleague is BOOMING in St Helens................................

Getting rid of the salary cap won't work as half the poop teams in Superleague don't spend the cap now?
Make all clubs have an Academy to bring more youngsters through, The winners of past Superleague titles have all had Academy's to fall back on.
Up the salary cap a bit but not a huge amount.






Ahh Tesco
Building St Helens & Warrington's future
Destroying Wigans past

"Viva Ben Flower, Viva Ben Flower, could have won the cup but you Messed it up Viva Ben Flower"

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Looking back on the SL era
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:30 am 
First Team Player
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: Aug 25 2021
Posts: 1219
Magic Superbeetle wrote:The salary cap isn’t killing the sport (after all the NRL also has a cap, and flourishing) - having the cap managed by the people who benefit most from keeping it superficially low (in the short term at least) whilst not having any commercial activity for so long not discerningly increasing money in the sport over decades, leading to everything being cut to the bone financially are the things which is killing the sport.
.


Which is kind of what I wanted to say, but If I said it the way you did, I would have just been called a troll by supporters of the clubs this applies to.






Wakefield Wildcats RLFANS Quiz Champion 2023

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Looking back on the SL era
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:18 pm 
International Board Member
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: Jan 03 2003
Posts: 2229
Location: Leeds
Rommel wrote:Superleague is BOOMING in St Helens................................

Getting rid of the salary cap won't work as half the poop teams in Superleague don't spend the cap now?
Make all clubs have an Academy to bring more youngsters through, The winners of past Superleague titles have all had Academy's to fall back on.
Up the salary cap a bit but not a huge amount.


Should it not be about clubs trying to keep up with saints and Wigan rather than saints and Wigan being held back by Wakefield and cas etc? If some clubs don't spend up to the salary cap, tough but to stop the exodus of talent to the NRL, we should be increasing wages to keep the best players in SL.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Looking back on the SL era
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:46 pm 
Club Coach
Club Coach
User avatar

Joined: Apr 24 2011
Posts: 17982
Although the change to summer rugby wasn't universally popular, there is little doubt that it's a better spectacle in "summer" than winter.
Harder, drier playing surfaces keep the game more open (generally speaking) and more entertaining.
The cap is a problem but, primarily because of lack of investment into the game and not just because we have a salary cap.

Even though many clubs dont spend the full cap, it should have risen year on year (at least in line with inflation).

Ultimately though, the sport is still where it was and hasn't made too much progress in attracting new people to the game and the million dollar question is, whether the sport sees itself as a niche sport or a "national" game and depending on the answer to this question, where it wants to be in 5,10 or 20 years time. There has been little progress (perhaps zero) with this over the 25 years of SL.

Facilities, generally speaking, have improved, with new grounds for a number of clubs but, the sport needs to decide where it's going and there's heaps of work to do to keep the youngsters interested, both in terms of wanting to play and wanting to watch RL and this is the biggest challenge that the sport faces.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Looking back on the SL era
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:50 pm 
Club Owner
International Star

Joined: Mar 16 2004
Posts: 6724
Location: Meltham
TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:Worse state by a long way.

Lessons to be learned? The salary cap is killing the sport

Some pretty hollow victories for saints these last few years in such poor times.

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 31 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next





It is currently Tue Nov 26, 2024 2:48 pm


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 147 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Tue Nov 26, 2024 2:48 pm
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
18m
Film game
Boss Hog
5754
25m
2025 Recruitment
Peter Goddar
206
26m
Rumours and signings v9
Mark_P1973
28902
34m
Salford
karetaker
54
36m
How many games will we win
burtonsrlfc
43
53m
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
9
60m
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
Mark_P1973
8
Recent
Salford placed in special measures
poplar cats
111
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Hullrealist
4047
Recent
Pre Season - 2025
Hullrealist
191
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
How many games will we win
burtonsrlfc
43
1m
Salford placed in special measures
poplar cats
111
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40800
1m
Transfer Talk V5
Jack Burton
508
2m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63266
2m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2607
3m
Pre Season - 2025
Hullrealist
191
3m
New Kit
matt_wire
69
4m
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
4m
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
TODAY
2025 Squad
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
Mark_P1973
8
TODAY
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
9
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
burtonsrlfc
43
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
karetaker
54
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington - Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
18m
Film game
Boss Hog
5754
25m
2025 Recruitment
Peter Goddar
206
26m
Rumours and signings v9
Mark_P1973
28902
34m
Salford
karetaker
54
36m
How many games will we win
burtonsrlfc
43
53m
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
9
60m
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
Mark_P1973
8
Recent
Salford placed in special measures
poplar cats
111
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Hullrealist
4047
Recent
Pre Season - 2025
Hullrealist
191
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
How many games will we win
burtonsrlfc
43
1m
Salford placed in special measures
poplar cats
111
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40800
1m
Transfer Talk V5
Jack Burton
508
2m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63266
2m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2607
3m
Pre Season - 2025
Hullrealist
191
3m
New Kit
matt_wire
69
4m
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
4m
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
TODAY
2025 Squad
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
Mark_P1973
8
TODAY
Fixtures 2025
Bull Mania
9
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
burtonsrlfc
43
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
karetaker
54
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.