Pemps wrote:Although he's been part of the deal to get Wardle, I think the general feeling is on recent form King hasn't been great so maybe Halsall would have been a better option, and on far less money.
I've been told by 2 people, oen close to Wigan and one very close to Warrington that King was on £150k/£180k and Warrington are paying £30k of that (Whichever of the 150/180 he's on). That's a considerable amount more than what Halsall would have been on.
Obviously the staff see Halsall every day and they obviously didn't fancy him. The writing is on the wall when Isa, Farrell, Bateman, KPP are all being picked at centre ahead of you. When he has played he's not been spectacular and he's also not let anyone down. At 21 years old I would hope he'd have started to nail down that spot though. I do remember the uproar of Hankinson not being played and eventually leaving the club. People were saying then that it's a disgrace and it would come back to haunt us. He's in the Championship with Toulouse.
Same with Shaun Ainscough. Hell ... same with Mark Cannon. Anyone remember him? We replaced him with Brett Kenny, and quite unbelievably, some people complained about that.
Pemps wrote:Although he's been part of the deal to get Wardle, I think the general feeling is on recent form King hasn't been great so maybe Halsall would have been a better option, and on far less money.
I've been told by 2 people, oen close to Wigan and one very close to Warrington that King was on £150k/£180k and Warrington are paying £30k of that (Whichever of the 150/180 he's on). That's a considerable amount more than what Halsall would have been on.
Obviously the staff see Halsall every day and they obviously didn't fancy him. The writing is on the wall when Isa, Farrell, Bateman, KPP are all being picked at centre ahead of you. When he has played he's not been spectacular and he's also not let anyone down. At 21 years old I would hope he'd have started to nail down that spot though. I do remember the uproar of Hankinson not being played and eventually leaving the club. People were saying then that it's a disgrace and it would come back to haunt us. He's in the Championship with Toulouse.
To be fair to Hankinson he’s done well at Tolouse and apparently being looked at by other Superleague clubs. I’d say his stock his higher now than it’s ever been.
If Halsall goes on to ‘make it’ I guarantee he will end up signing for Saints. Better for him to go there from giants than us. His family are huge saints fans. I always felt either way we would have never got the best of him.
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CobraCraig wrote:To be fair to Hankinson he’s done well at Tolouse and apparently being looked at by other Superleague clubs. I’d say his stock his higher now than it’s ever been.
One of the most perplexing things about Lam's time at Wigan was his use, or should I say non-use, of Hankinson. At times we had both Isa and Faz at centre and flogged kids half to death in what was already a weak pack. All the while Hankinson was out on loan.
Baffling to say the least.
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Cruncher wrote:Same with Shaun Ainscough. Hell ... same with Mark Cannon. Anyone remember him? We replaced him with Brett Kenny, and quite unbelievably, some people complained about that.
You are trying to compare apples with oranges and tailoring an example to suit your arguement and the example has no relevance.
The only players I can compare is a ready made Toby King, to an up and coming Sam Halsall.
Halsall on less money, Wigan lad, can be spelled with Thornley, killed it in the reserves this season.
Nothing against King, but losing Sam Halsall in order to get a player on loan for a year does not make sense.
It has been mentioned about not keeping every prospect, we have to let some go. Well we have lost some future first team players in Nicolson, McDonnell, Halsall and Bibby. Add to that Harry Rushton.
I just hope we keep hold of Nsemba and Forber otherwise we may aswell scrap the academy.
Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid. Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal. Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.
sergeant pepper wrote:One of the most perplexing things about Lam's time at Wigan was his use, or should I say non-use, of Hankinson. At times we had both Isa and Faz at centre and flogged kids half to death in what was already a weak pack. All the while Hankinson was out on loan.
FIOS wrote:If Halsall goes on to ‘make it’ I guarantee he will end up signing for Saints. Better for him to go there from giants than us. His family are huge saints fans. I always felt either way we would have never got the best of him.
His family support St Helens so Wigan will never get the best out of him?
Stop talking nonsense.
Didn't stop Sean Long and Gary Connolly and they played for both clubs.
Tommy Makinson played his whole youth in Hindley and supports Wigan...
post wrote:You are trying to compare apples with oranges and tailoring an example to suit your arguement and the example has no relevance.
The only players I can compare is a ready made Toby King, to an up and coming Sam Halsall.
Halsall on less money, Wigan lad, can be spelled with Thornley, killed it in the reserves this season.
Nothing against King, but losing Sam Halsall in order to get a player on loan for a year does not make sense.
It has been mentioned about not keeping every prospect, we have to let some go. Well we have lost some future first team players in Nicolson, [b]McDonnell, Halsall and Bibby. Add to that Harry Rushton.[/b]
I just hope we keep hold of Nsemba and Forber otherwise we may aswell scrap the academy.
Are you not doing the same by mentioning King?
Halsall has left as part of the Wardle deal.
You literally cannot keep them all and bring them all through at the same time. How on earth do you propose fitting in McDonnell?
post wrote:You are trying to compare apples with oranges and tailoring an example to suit your arguement and the example has no relevance.
The only players I can compare is a ready made Toby King, to an up and coming Sam Halsall.
Halsall on less money, Wigan lad, can be spelled with Thornley, killed it in the reserves this season.
Nothing against King, but losing Sam Halsall in order to get a player on loan for a year does not make sense.
It has been mentioned about not keeping every prospect, we have to let some go. Well we have lost some future first team players in Nicolson, McDonnell, Halsall and Bibby. Add to that Harry Rushton.
I just hope we keep hold of Nsemba and Forber otherwise we may aswell scrap the academy.
So in your opinion (over the last ten to twenty years) how many players have we lost from the academy and have played only a handful of 1st team games who have come back to bite us.
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Rogues Gallery wrote:So in your opinion (over the last ten to twenty years) how many players have we lost from the academy and have played only a handful of 1st team games who have come back to bite us.
There's loads. There was thingy who signed for wotsit and then there was yon Mon and what do you call it that went to thingamajig.
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