FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home The Virtual Terrace Standard of SL



Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 88 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Standard of SL
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:57 pm 
Moderator
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Jun 01 2007
Posts: 12646
Location: Leicestershire.
DallasMead2 wrote:Surely it should be the sensible benchmark though, it’s literally the same sport. We should be learning from them and we can surely learn more from the NRL than soccer, Union and other sports.


Association football is the same in Australia as it is in England, but I doubt fans of the A-League worry massively about the quality of the games they watch vs those in the EPL. That’s maybe a slightly extreme example… but only slightly. We can learn without comparing ourselves to the teacher/example.






'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Standard of SL
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:59 pm 
Club Captain
Fringe Player

Joined: Feb 16 2020
Posts: 902
FlexWheeler wrote:Learn what exactly? Hey guys, be one of the most popular sports and then you'll get the lions share of talented athletes, and massive advertising and tv rights money.

You can't undo a century worth of sports culture. Rugby league is popular (the sport of choice) in a few, economically deprived areas of the country. That's not to say the governing body and some clubs do a good job with the marketing and running of the game, they don't. But there are limitations, and the context over there is totally different and not relevant.

Besides, stuff like that isn't the biggest issue at the moment anyway. The product on the field is crap, and the outcomes are predictable.

Well I’ll certainly agree on that last paragraph.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Standard of SL
PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:21 pm 
International Board Member
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Feb 23 2003
Posts: 5518
Location: Hull
FlexWheeler wrote:Learn what exactly? Hey guys, be one of the most popular sports and then you'll get the lions share of talented athletes, and massive advertising and tv rights money.

You can't undo a century worth of sports culture. Rugby league is popular (the sport of choice) in a few, economically deprived areas of the country. That's not to say the governing body and some clubs do a good job with the marketing and running of the game, they don't. But there are limitations, and the context over there is totally different and not relevant.

Besides, stuff like that isn't the biggest issue at the moment anyway. The product on the field is crap, and the outcomes are predictable.

Agree nrl doesn't have football to compete with like we do over here

Nrl should be a lot more popular than it is given its one or the"bigger" sports in aus

The salary cap difference every aussie team should beat every super league by 80 or 90 points

But we all know when the WWC comes around the aussie team will scrape another 6/10 point win !

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Standard of SL
PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:19 pm 
Player Coach
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: Sep 14 2009
Posts: 1606
Location: on route to old trafford via wembley
The Australia's learnt the game from us and now they do the game much better than us. Maybe it's time for us to learn from them now?

It's not a case of their players are born better, we can produce as good talented players as them yet we haven't beaten them in a rugby war for 52 years.

We have a competition platform to play on with Super league just as they do with their league. So where is it going wrong?

Is it grass roots?
Is it coaching?
Is it standard of refereeing?
Is it money?
Is it leadership?
Is it lack of competativeness in games?

It can't be lack of talented players because you look at recent British players that have gone down there to ply their trade. Sam Burgess and James Graham both big stars down their who became captains of their clubs. Gareth Ellis was his clubs player of the season on more than 1 occasion. John Bateman was awarded their competitions back rower of the season. Josh Hodgson was just a decent hooker in Super League, he went down there and people were putting him on the level of best hooker in their competition alongside the immortal Cameron Smith.

5 years ago we played Australia on their home soil in the World Cup final and lost a very tight game by 6 points. There's no way it should be 52 years since we last beat them in a war.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Standard of SL
PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:45 pm 
First Team Player
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: Aug 25 2021
Posts: 1219
It’s lifestyle and professionalism. The vast minority of nrl players are dedicated, eat and train right. The vast majority of SL players can be found stumbling around with a kebab in their hand on a Saturday night. Especially around Leeds and Wigan






Wakefield Wildcats RLFANS Quiz Champion 2023

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Standard of SL
PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:08 pm 
Club Captain
Fringe Player

Joined: Feb 16 2020
Posts: 902
TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:It’s lifestyle and professionalism. The vast minority of nrl players are dedicated, eat and train right. The vast majority of SL players can be found stumbling around with a kebab in their hand on a Saturday night. Especially around Leeds and Wigan

Who do you support mate?

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Standard of SL
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:21 pm 
First Team Player
First Team Player

Joined: Aug 14 2020
Posts: 1375
TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:It’s lifestyle and professionalism. The vast minority of nrl players are dedicated, eat and train right. The vast majority of SL players can be found stumbling around with a kebab in their hand on a Saturday night. Especially around Leeds and Wigan


I agree I hate it when Stains players visit King St in Wigan

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Standard of SL
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:53 pm 
Player Coach
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Oct 29 2007
Posts: 6767
Location: Now in Enemy Country
Jason65 wrote:I agree I hate it when Stains players visit King St in Wigan


They have not been in Wigoons town centre for quite a few years now since John Bateman bottled a fellow rugby player.






The new young dynasty of super saints is coming to a ground near you.
Welsby-Dodd-Simms-Eaves-Rizzelli, not Eastmond...the future is coming.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Standard of SL
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 4:03 pm 
International Star
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: May 23 2011
Posts: 1982
Your not missing much.






Irony is represented below.

JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:He is not telling the truth. He is talking paranoid rubbish.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Standard of SL
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:07 pm 
International Star
Club Captain

Joined: Mar 18 2013
Posts: 4239
giddyupoldfella wrote:The Australia's learnt the game from us and now they do the game much better than us. Maybe it's time for us to learn from them now?

It's not a case of their players are born better, we can produce as good talented players as them yet we haven't beaten them in a rugby war for 52 years.

We have a competition platform to play on with Super league just as they do with their league. So where is it going wrong?

Is it grass roots?
Is it coaching?
Is it standard of refereeing?
Is it money?
Is it leadership?
Is it lack of competativeness in games?

It can't be lack of talented players because you look at recent British players that have gone down there to ply their trade. Sam Burgess and James Graham both big stars down their who became captains of their clubs. Gareth Ellis was his clubs player of the season on more than 1 occasion. John Bateman was awarded their competitions back rower of the season. Josh Hodgson was just a decent hooker in Super League, he went down there and people were putting him on the level of best hooker in their competition alongside the immortal Cameron Smith.

5 years ago we played Australia on their home soil in the World Cup final and lost a very tight game by 6 points. There's no way it should be 52 years since we last beat them in a war.


Sometimes the most obvious answer is the asnwer. They have a better competition and a better pool of players. That's why. Rugby league doesn't lend itself to one-off upsets. You can't park the bus and hit a team on the break.They are just better because they have the best athletes, more of them, playing in a better competition. Of course over that period we've had little periods where we just happened to have a number of top players come through at the same time, and so have come close. But we have so little depth in comparison that one injury or loss of form dramatically weakens us, and there#s nearly always liable to be ''something'' that isn't quite perfect. Walmesley is out for the world cup now, isn't he? There you go.

Learn what from them exactly??

Here's how it probably goes. Whatever infrastructure or 'things' they have implemented, we learn about it and then:

A - ''Ok great, let's start implementing these right away''
B - ''Well it's going to cost xxxx to implement this''
A - ''Damn, we can't afford that, let's just raise more money''
B - ''Well xxxx is given based on how lucrative xxxx is, and rugby league only generates xxxx, so it's not possible''
A - ''Can't we just raise money like Austrailia do?''
B - ''The game isn't popular enough to generate that kind of income''

Or something like that. I don't know the inner workings of these things behind the scenes,hence ''xxxx'', but it's down to money.






实事求是!

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 88 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next





It is currently Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:43 am


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 191 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:43 am
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
5m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
leeds owl
2579
19m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40668
20m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63164
21m
Film game
Wanderer
5507
25m
Leeds away first up
PopTart
11
43m
Assistant Coach - Langley
Huddersfield
12
Recent
Out of contract 2025
St Helens Wo
39
Recent
Noah Booth out on loan
jonh
11
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Assistant Coach - Langley
Huddersfield
12
1m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40668
1m
WCC Off
CyberPieMan
1
1m
Transfer Talk V5
Sir Gregory
483
1m
Morgan Smithies
Jason65
7
2m
Dual Reg
Kirmudgeonly
5
3m
Shopping list for 2025
Dave K.
5557
3m
Season pass roll call
mwindass
36
3m
Pre Season - 2025
Chris71
175
3m
2025 Kit
dddooommm
8
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
WCC Off
CyberPieMan
1
TODAY
Leeds away first up
PopTart
11
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
Huddersfield
12
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
jonh
11
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
745 Game
chapylad
4
TODAY
Are we nearly there yet
Returnwr to
1
TODAY
Magic weekend fixtures confirmed
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Fixtures 2025
UllFC
19
TODAY
Keith Hepworth passes away
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Misi Taulapapa
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Season tickets
Neruda
6
TODAY
RIP Keith Hepworth 1942-2024
Armavinit
13
TODAY
9000 season ticket holders announced
Bombers Doub
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
348
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1166
England's Women Demolish The W..
992
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1233
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1018
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1281
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1826
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2047
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2293
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1869
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2103
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2569
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2008
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2087
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
2300
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
5m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
leeds owl
2579
19m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40668
20m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63164
21m
Film game
Wanderer
5507
25m
Leeds away first up
PopTart
11
43m
Assistant Coach - Langley
Huddersfield
12
Recent
Out of contract 2025
St Helens Wo
39
Recent
Noah Booth out on loan
jonh
11
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Assistant Coach - Langley
Huddersfield
12
1m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40668
1m
WCC Off
CyberPieMan
1
1m
Transfer Talk V5
Sir Gregory
483
1m
Morgan Smithies
Jason65
7
2m
Dual Reg
Kirmudgeonly
5
3m
Shopping list for 2025
Dave K.
5557
3m
Season pass roll call
mwindass
36
3m
Pre Season - 2025
Chris71
175
3m
2025 Kit
dddooommm
8
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
WCC Off
CyberPieMan
1
TODAY
Leeds away first up
PopTart
11
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
Huddersfield
12
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
jonh
11
TODAY
Luke Gale testimonial match
BarnsleyGull
2
TODAY
England 5 - 0 Ireland
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To Newcastle
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
745 Game
chapylad
4
TODAY
Are we nearly there yet
Returnwr to
1
TODAY
Magic weekend fixtures confirmed
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Fixtures 2025
UllFC
19
TODAY
Keith Hepworth passes away
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Misi Taulapapa
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Season tickets
Neruda
6
TODAY
RIP Keith Hepworth 1942-2024
Armavinit
13
TODAY
9000 season ticket holders announced
Bombers Doub
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
348
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1166
England's Women Demolish The W..
992
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1233
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1018
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1281
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1826
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2047
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2293
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1869
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2103
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2569
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2008
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2087
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
2300


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.