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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:30 pm 
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Phuzzy wrote:Our own coach said you were the better team because we lost. Do you think he would have said you were the better team had we won?

I'm like a dog with a bone because I'm suck to the back teeth of such as yourself saying that the only thing that matters is territory as if nothing else matters. Winning the territorial battle is important but no more important than error rate, for example. You can have all the territory you want but if you drop the ball at the end of every set, you won't win!

I've said before that, for a team like ours, territory is not even the most important metric. We can..and regularly do..score from anywhere on the field. Errors and penalties are therefore FAR more important than territory. Unlike yourselves who generally need to win the territory battle to score.

At the end of the day territory is the most important metric to your team. If you keep judging who is the better team by what Saints need to do to win then, in your opinion, you'll always be better because you're judging by your standards. As I pointed out, the only metric that ultimately counts is the scoreboard and, penalty aside, you were never ahead in that until we had a man sent off. You can cry "but we had the most territory" all you want but it doesn't change that fact.

By the way, when it comes to a dog with a bone it's rich that you can't let any reference to Saints not being the super dooper best team in Superleague pass without comment. Calling the kettle black much?


:lol: :lol:

Firstly I think we are the better team because we are 4 points clear at the top and have won 2 out of 3 games against you this season.

Secondly if you do actually read my posts you will see that a) I have argued against other Saints fans on Redvee not to use injuries as the be all and end all despite us suffering more with injuries and suspensions than at any time in the last 3 years, b) I have admitted on here that Wigan are the form team and would likely start favourites if the Grand Final was next week and c) I can't guarantee that our form will come back. I have admitted (again on here) that we look busted and fatigued.

So how do you infer from that I think that Saints are the "super dooper best team"? What I won't deviate from is that we are the best team at full strength. I do think that 100% and to be honest most of your fans would agree with that too (not you of course undoubtedly)

EDIT- I'm not sure either that I "bang on about territory" I just think we were the better team on the day full stop

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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:39 pm 
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Stu M wrote::lol: :lol:

Firstly I think we are the better team because we are 4 points clear at the top and have won 2 out of 3 games against you this season.

Secondly if you do actually read my posts you will see that a) I have argued against other Saints fans on Redvee not to use injuries as the be all and end all despite us suffering more with injuries and suspensions than at any time in the last 3 years, b) I have admitted on here that Wigan are the form team and would likely start favourites if the Grand Final was next week and c) I can't guarantee that our form will come back. I have admitted (again on here) that we look busted and fatigued.

So how do you infer from that I think that Saints are the "super dooper best team"? What I won't deviate from is that we are the best team at full strength. I do think that 100% and to be honest most of your fans would agree with that too (not you of course undoubtedly)

EDIT- I'm not sure either that I "bang on about territory" I just think we were the better team on the day full stop

And I don't. So what's your point?

Edit: So what metric are you using to determine you were the better team on the day up to us having a man sent off?

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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:50 pm 
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Phuzzy wrote:
Edit: So what metric are you using to determine you were the better team on the day up to us having a man sent off?


I have eyes.

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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:32 pm 
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Stu M wrote:I have eyes.


Which are biased to say the least.

In my humble opinion Wigan are better than Saints because they have the only trophy in the cupboard that was contested so far this season and had to beat Saints (second best) on the way,would like to point out the likes of Walmsley/Makinson/Percival were on show that day.

now if you win the Hubcap you will be the most consistant team (that is the next trophy on offer )

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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:54 pm 
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I'd still say saints have the edge as much as it pains me. We have definitely closed the gap but would still say where not quite there yet as the best side in the league

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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:13 pm 
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Jason65 wrote:Which are biased to say the least.

In my humble opinion Wigan are better than Saints because they have the only trophy in the cupboard that was contested so far this season and had to beat Saints (second best) on the way,would like to point out the likes of Walmsley/Makinson/Percival were on show that day.

now if you win the Hubcap you will be the most consistant team (that is the next trophy on offer )


That's crazy logic. It's like saying Latics were a better side than City as they beat them in the FA cup final.






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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion
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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:19 pm 
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Cbr1000rr wrote:I'd still say saints have the edge as much as it pains me. We have definitely closed the gap but would still say where not quite there yet as the best side in the league


If I was forced to say it I would agree only because they have won more games ,but as I would like to point out they did bottle the only game that meant anything and it was against us.
We will see how it pans out.

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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:23 pm 
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sergeant pepper wrote:That's crazy logic. It's like saying Latics were a better side than City as they beat them in the FA cup final.


Were Latics second in the table and a better points difference,We are still in with a shout at the League if we manage that are we not the better team or if we win the GF is it then we become the better team.

When do we become the better team as we have already won 1 cup so far.

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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Sts discussion
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:33 pm 
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Jason65 wrote:Were Latics second in the table and a better points difference,We are still in with a shout at the League if we manage that are we not the better team or if we win the GF is it then we become the better team.

When do we become the better team as we have already won 1 cup so far.


History tells us that we are a better team. The only way to judge it is trophy wins and we are miles ahead.

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