Post subject: Re: SL RD 6 | Salford Red Devils (A)
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:37 am
Loiner at large
Club Captain
Joined: Oct 30 2019 Posts: 558
Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:My issue at the moment is if the now inevitable happens and a new man appointed if he loses next week and we get battered v Saints the new coach bounce will be gone.
Is there anyone even available? The NRL has just started so would assistants want to come over? Cant see it.
Jeez what a mess we are in. Thought the team tried tonight compared to last week but that probably makes it worse in a way.
The team has zero confidence, zero leadership and zero pace. Rob Oates was going potty tonight and hes a Director of the club. Not a good look.
Do I trust Hetherington to sort this fiasco out? In truth, he has been fantastic for Leeds but ive no faith he will turn this around at all.
Im sure changes will be made soon enough but we need them to be the right ones and im not sure its out there at the moment.
We can slag the players off, we can knock the coach but the issues are deeper than that i feel. Weve signed established NRL/International players like Merrin, Tetevano and Hurrell but they dont seem to work out. We dont seem to be able to get a spine playing, we are always carrying injuries.
The discipline is attrocious and we never learn. Two more binned tonight but will the club deal with it or complain its the RFL's disciplinary commitee to blame? Sort it f...ing out. We clearly arent good enough to win games with 12 men on the park for a quarter of the game.
Letting Sinfield walk when deep down he didnt want to was a huge mistake. He wanted his role changing to its original form. Even after signing for Leicester he couldve been pursuaded to stay, I know he could, but he was allowed to walk.
We look rotten to the core again im sorry to say.
I will say i feel sorry for Agar, hes a decent RL man from a true RL family. I think hes done a better job than given credit for but its clearly gone horribly wrong this season for him. I think hes a honest man and will be the 1st to say this isnt good enough for Leeds Rugby League.
Completely agree with all of the above and especially the comments around Sinfields departure. The one big impact Kev had was the culture and DNA of the club began to improve and we looked a more professional team. This has now regressed since his departure and we are in free fall and there is no easy fix in the middle of a season. As you have highlighted there is no quick fix. Agar alone going fixes nothing. The coaches underneath him look to be worse than him so would also need to go. As great as Hetherington has been for Leeds he looks like a man who has had his glory days and is not as in tune with the current realities of RL here or in the NRL. Oledski carries our forwards on his own especially in the hard yards down the middle. Bentley was good last night and probably wonders why he chose to leave Saints to come to Leeds! The overall lack of confidence is shocking. The halves are embarassing. Sezer has the ability but looks short on confidence and Austin has turned into a poor version of Joel Moon at 6 ( great centre terrible 6). When you take it all together its a mess. Throwing in the kids en masse as some suggest would only ruin them. We need a root and branch review and a top class coach who brings in all their own people with them. No idea where you get that from mid season so it looks like a giant sticking plaster in the meantime which is probably preferable to making the wrong choice.
Post subject: Re: SL RD 6 | Salford Red Devils (A)
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:02 am
Seth
Club Owner
Joined: Mar 16 2004 Posts: 6734 Location: Meltham
Nice man or not, im not sure how we can come to the conclusion that Agar has done anything other than a bad job, he and the regime have set us back years, we are talking about another overhaul after the time he's had!
I said several times last year how poor we were and was continually criticised for being too harsh. It's been coming.
Post subject: Re: SL RD 6 | Salford Red Devils (A)
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:42 am
christopher
International Board Member
Joined: Nov 19 2002 Posts: 13628 Location: West Yorkshire
Seth wrote:Nice man or not, im not sure how we can come to the conclusion that Agar has done anything other than a bad job, he and the regime have set us back years, we are talking about another overhaul after the time he's had!
I said several times last year how poor we were and was continually criticised for being too harsh. It's been coming.
I think that’s a little unfair we were a shambles when he came in (I understand we are the same now)
He however should have gone at the end of last year and that’s yhe clubs fault for not realising this
Post subject: Re: SL RD 6 | Salford Red Devils (A)
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:05 am
Shabino
Club Captain
Joined: Feb 06 2017 Posts: 3207
Seth wrote:Nice man or not, im not sure how we can come to the conclusion that Agar has done anything other than a bad job, he and the regime have set us back years, we are talking about another overhaul after the time he's had!
I said several times last year how poor we were and was continually criticised for being too harsh. It's been coming.
He steadied the ship and I think the club chose the cheap Option off keeping him rolling as he’s a yes man. Lack of ambition at a high level I fear. Sinny clearly saw this…….
Post subject: Re: SL RD 6 | Salford Red Devils (A)
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:18 am
Knavesmire
Club Captain
Joined: Mar 02 2020 Posts: 18
I'm not hardcore - so my apologies for my lack of knowledge. But, in a sentence, with the most balanced squad we've had for several seasons......why are we effing awful? The Wigan game, okay good reasons for that were put forward. But Hull and Salford.....nah...something is wrong here. And what exactly is our plan on the sixth tackle apart from hand over possession?
Post subject: Re: SL RD 6 | Salford Red Devils (A)
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:23 am
Once were Loiners
First Team Player
Joined: Dec 15 2021 Posts: 1261
The bad decisions go right back to 2015. The back-slapping was followed by bad decisions and some bad luck, but mostly the former. We now have a club staffed in senior roles by mates and former players rather than professionals with proven ability, a squad with obvious flaws that haven't been addressed, and no depth at all.
The rot really does run deep. Replacing Agar alone won't fix the issues we have. We desperately need the sort of clean out that we've been avoiding for years. Putting in another coach without addressing the other issues will leave us little better off apart from some wins for the first team.
Post subject: Re: SL RD 6 | Salford Red Devils (A)
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:25 am
Once were Loiners
First Team Player
Joined: Dec 15 2021 Posts: 1261
Knavesmire - I'd say the one sentence reason is simply that the coach has lost the squad. If everyone was really pulling together and backing each other fully we'd be significantly better.
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