Saints are an absolute machine.
So impressive to watch.

I actually find it a bit clinical. Impressive but clinical and not entertaining.

Id give my back teeth for us to be like that though don’t get me wrong.

What Sts show is that coaching makes an enormous difference. They have some better players than us but the whole team plays with confidence and works to a plan. Put one or two of our players in there, even the ones who are playing really badly, and they'd also look really good. Do it the other way round and they might stand out for a bit but eventually they'd get dragged down to the standard the rest of the team is at. Walmsley is probably the exception because simply he's something we don't have. We'd somehow make him look like a pudding within weeks though....

Correct - it's absolutely down to the coaching, conditioning and the culture at the club.
We don't seem to have any of those at the moment.

I thought we'd brought back to the club the best conditioner in the game?

Im not sure we look unfit, we look disinterested and not bothered.

The forwards might look gassed but that’s because we haven’t got enough of them.

I was talking about the length of time they were out over 2 years.
If I played under Agar I would probably punch someone and walk out

The forwards are the issue - he is one of them - but he seems to escape criticism on here regardless of his performance. Hull just battered Leeds down the middle of Thursday what does that tell you?. All the others get stick on here but not him - Prior and Tetavano especially - is that justified?

The amount of forwards are the issue.

Check the lineups and see how many props they had.

Prior snd Tetevano don’t really get that much stick do they, people can see that they are getting dominated because we are too lightweight in the forwards not that they are individually bad players. Oledski is the absolute least of our worries, in fact he’s probably (along with Newman) the only players that would get in the current Saints side

Come on Chris, Oldeski wouldn't get anywhere near the current Saints side - Newman is a great talent but he is no Percival or Hopate at this stage.

How many forwards do we need - we have 15 out of 25 - perhaps its the quality that is really the problem not quantity.