Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:Given Putin has now shutdown all independent media, leaving journalists having to flee the country, has jailed the leader of the opposition for criticising him and is arresting people in their thousands for peaceful protest. It’s a fair bet that the state controlled Russia Today is propaganda.

Every reason he’s given to justify the invasion makes no sense. They’re already bordered by NATO countries and Ukraine haven’t even joined. They’re already bordered by EU countries. The supposed attacks on russain speakers in the Donbass region were so bad that people there have been on the streets blocking Russian conveys and telling their soldiers to go home.

There’s enough video evidence on social media of captured Russian soldiers who have no clue why they’re there as even they’ve been lied to.

Superblue wrote:This situation is a total and utter failure of Western leadership and Diplomacy
The arrogance and chest thumping of the west in totally dismissing Russia’s legitimate security concerns
There was no way President Putin would allow the second largest country in Europe to be stuffed full of American nukes and cruise missiles. Have you seen the length of the Ukraine border with Russia?

Sadly the Ukraine people are now understanding the internationally accepted American definitions of terms such as “collateral damage” and “enemy combatant” , derived to legitimise American and UK atrocities in the likes of Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.
The ICC is an American joke.

Unlike the American and UK imperialistic Illegal invasion of Iraq WMD lies , Russia has found WMD’s nukes in Ukraine.

And I don’t see the Donald Rumsfeld levels of Shock and Awe inflicted on the civilian population of Baghdad?, nor any sightings of the “Mother of all Bombs” dropped with impunity on the brown skinned populations of Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan

This is creeping to a nuclear WW3

The Ghost of '99 wrote:What an utterly pathetic post.

silver2 wrote:The point I'm trying to make is if a large percentage of russians aren't aware that they're being fed propaganda, why would we be any more aware if the same was happening to us?

Superblue wrote:Care to elucidate?